Is Honor all Gone?

[Zoney]

It's extremly dissappointing when I see 'spies" or "cheats" or "shades" thrown around when you get a mission busted.  It just recently happened to me, i didn't bother to respond.  i would have told him exactly what had happened and how I knew where he was, but he did not ask.  In that case it was very simple, he flew near my CV.  The same CV his 5 buddies had flown near earlier, as they were inbound their target, and that's where I set up to intercept their mission.

Maybe, possibly there are times when you been simply outsmarted and you might learn from it ............................. or you could choose to believe there is a conspircy everywhere, your choice.

How does this relate?  Maybe it is not honorable to call someone out for an activity that you are at best guessing he may have participated in.

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wait....what..

Honor....in a game....

no way say it aint so....

people have been saying there is no such thing in this game......
and actually talk down to those who think Honor is a must.


the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.


and those who have no Honor have NO concept about it, it is as foreign to them as speaking Japanese is to me.

[Stampf]

the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.

This.  It doesn't matter that it is a game.  It is just another part of life...and choosing to live it a certain way.  A good friend of mine here...you all know him - 'Hammer' a special forces veteran among other real life military honors...told me upon retirement from JG11, and AH, that he always thought integrity, honor and leadership in a game were a bit trite...

...he said I changed his mind.

That's top shelf for me...and one I cherish.

[ink]

This.  It doesn't matter that it is a game.  It is just another part of life...and choosing to live it a certain way.  A good friend of mine here...you all know him - 'Hammer' a special forces veteran among other real life military honors...told me upon retirement from JG11, and AH, that he always thought integrity, honor and leadership in a game were a bit trite...

...he said I changed his mind.

That's top shelf for me...and one I cherish.

 

[Devil 505]

Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.

This is the path to the dark side.

That's some great sig material there. 

[Rich46yo]

I remember OddCaf. A very good Mossie stick who taught me a lot what the plane was capable of without bombs and rockets on it.

Last night I had a bad connection so by the time I was able to get near the bombers in my K4 the mission was all but over and I couldnt help other then to drag as many fighters down as I could..

No question some NOE missions weve been on have been busted dishonorably Earl. Im not as sure of the high bomber missions. Boy you were at 22K last night when I took off and still I was able to almost make it to you in a K4. A big dar is always noticed ; its something Im always looking for. I just dont know where to stand on this anymore. I know it happens but how do you tell? I know there are guys ALWAYS watching for dar and whom play clean.

[Gard06]

Some people cheat their way through life. They cheat on tests in school. Cheat on girlfriends/boyfriends then graduate to cheating on wives/husbands. They cheat on taxes and many times shortchange their own kids. Life becomes one big game, but once YOU realized the game is rigged and let go, they lose...game over.

I say lets all get two AH accounts so we can watch and spy on each other.  High Tech obviously knows players are doing this and he is making money from this dishonest activity.   Better yet, lets demand High tech take the HIGH road and put an end to this practice of shade accounts.  Or we can ask HT to let all the sides see one another at all times.   You know, like they they do in the horrible arcade games, that have no real future...    

Perhaps, we just need a game with INTEGRITY.

[Lusche]

PM them and ask how they spotted you.

This.


Every once in a while someoe will not sling mud by instinct but ask me "how did you do that". I have always been happy to answer question like these, sometime to great detail. There's nothing to hide, but much to learn.


A few weeks ago i had this in my inbox:

Hey snailman, was I showing up on dar(maybe a cv?), or did you just happen to cross my path last night?

(he was going NOE and suddenly found my F4U coming out of nowhere going directly for his Lancs)


And this is the answer I sent:



 

[Stampf]

I know there are guys ALWAYS watching for dar and whom play clean.

Exactly.  A guy like 'Zoney' who really enjoys the hunt is a perfect example.  The whole squad can be engaged down in the weeds and Zoney comes across vox with a transmission about dar...5 sectors away that just popped up.  Off he goes...and sure enough...20 minutes later...he comes across vox again..."3 sets of 17's at 28K H 090, I'm in..."

Never fails.  The clipboard is a tool.  Some guys use it to different degrees than others...

[Randy1]

Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.

This is the path to the dark side.

Absolute, logical, truth was dear to Sherlock Holmes.  In AH conjecture maybe as near to the truth as you can get.

To say there isn't any form of spying or cheating is an equal conjecture albeit less evident.

There will always be some small number of people trying to get an edge for some obtuse personal reason.

[Gard06]

I was one of those b17's in that mission and seeing 4 to 6 262's crossing two sectors of friendly active dar on a vector straight at us, already at altitude, is a sure sign of a shade account being used.  I got one of them!

[BnZs]

"Is honor all gone?"

Yes. Some people are looking to up bombers and attack defenseless buildings instead of actually engaging in air or ground combat. Shameful!  

[Wiley]

Absolute, logical, truth was dear to Sherlock Holmes.  In AH conjecture maybe as near to the truth as you can get.

To say there isn't any form of spying or cheating is an equal conjecture albeit less evident.

There will always be some small number of people trying to get an edge for some obtuse personal reason.

NOE missions aside, regardless of how they came to be there what does it matter if your mission meets resistance?  If your mission's only chance for success is for the enemy not to show up, there is a flaw in your mission plan.

Wiley.

[Randy1]

NOE missions aside, regardless of how they came to be there what does it matter if your mission meets resistance?  If your mission's only chance for success is for the enemy not to show up, there is a flaw in your mission plan.

Wiley.

One of the missions Earl ran was an NOE.
You point on mission planning is a good one.

[Copprhed]

wait....what..

Honor....in a game....

no way say it aint so....

people have been saying there is no such thing in this game......
and actually talk down to those who think Honor is a must.


the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.




and those who have no Honor have NO concept about it, it is as foreign to them as speaking Japanese is to me.

This is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH. It is incontrovertible and undeniable. -S- Ink!
What bothers me the most about this thread is those who continuously say it doesn't happen. While maybe not every flight of buffs that goes down or every cv that is found is because of "spiez", to always, ALWAYS respond that it doesn't happen is, frankly, disingenuous. I have observed, as mentioned an instance that without a doubt was someone from an opposing side trying to gain an unfair advantage. In my book, it's called CHEATING. People cheat, to say it doesn't happen here is foolish.

Thinking about it, please folks, don't take this comment to say that there aren't people who use all the tools, I try to. What I'm saying is don't deny that it happens.