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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2014, 11:46:58 PM »
I'm thinking for gameplay reasons. We all know that that these things are going to essentially be used as AWACS if they're ever added.


You missed the comments on the performance of Eyeball MK I vs those radars?
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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2014, 06:38:44 AM »

You missed the comments on the performance of Eyeball MK I vs those radars?

Not to mention that some of those twins (ESPECIALLY the P-61) could still hold their own even against single-engine day fighters. And that the single-engine night fighters suffered a performance loss from the radar equipment that they were carrying.
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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 07:23:03 AM »
To add a radar you first need to develop entire night time warfare concept

1. No icons (as you could barely see through night) and ensure that an aircraft visually blends at night sky
2. Disable interactive map and add radio navigation aids
3. Add more information to ground based radar like altitude of the target
4. Add flares for night bombing and other aids (like H2S radar) to find the target accurately during wartime blackout
5. Add search-lights that can lock on you.
6. Add some radar equipped night fighters like Mosquito, Beaufighter, Bf-110, P-61

The night time warfare was WAY different from the daytime one - it wasn't about ACM it was about using electronic equipment. Do you want this?

And if it all done - open a LW Night Time Arena as night time fighting requires totally different skills than daytime one.
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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 04:27:41 PM »
 The only way I would agree is if the radar had it`s own view,such as F6 in bomber.

   This would simulate looking into the scope as the radar operator had to and would make the radar equiped plane a sitting duck much like when a bomber is in the bombsight. You wouldnt be able to look around just at the scope,IMHO it would reduce the players SA.

  Now that I think about it,if it was implemented in this manner,it would be a waste of resources as very few would be willing to give up any atvantage the radar may give simply because it wouldnt be worth the risk!  If we had night time,not likely then I could see a use but whether it`s on a single or twin the added weight and lack of performance just wouldnt be worth the effort!



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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2014, 04:42:51 PM »
To add a radar you first need to develop entire night time warfare concept

1. No icons (as you could barely see through night) and ensure that an aircraft visually blends at night sky
2. Disable interactive map and add radio navigation aids
3. Add more information to ground based radar like altitude of the target
4. Add flares for night bombing and other aids (like H2S radar) to find the target accurately during wartime blackout
5. Add search-lights that can lock on you.
6. Add some radar equipped night fighters like Mosquito, Beaufighter, Bf-110, P-61

The night time warfare was WAY different from the daytime one - it wasn't about ACM it was about using electronic equipment. Do you want this?

And if it all done - open a LW Night Time Arena as night time fighting requires totally different skills than daytime one.

The OP wasn't wishing for airborne radar for night, but rather using airborne radar equipped aircraft (like the F6F5-N image he posted) as an airborne warning and control aircraft.

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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2014, 04:44:07 PM »
Not to mention that some of those twins (ESPECIALLY the P-61) could still hold their own even against single-engine day fighters.

Including the P-38M, which was considered to be just as good as the P-61 as a night fighter.

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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2014, 04:44:13 PM »
There should be a cap of 0 since the system the OP is wishing for wasn't in place until after the war.

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There were a few U-boat hunting aircraft that had the radar system during the war.
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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2014, 04:59:44 PM »
There were a few U-boat hunting aircraft that had the radar system during the war.


But again, not a system the OP wished for. There was no AWACS style equipped and used plane in WW2. There were planes with different kind of surface radars to locate (and in some cases target) naval or land based targets. And there were night fighters equipped with very short ranged air interception radars - which was generally much less effective than plain eyesight in daylight. For example, the famouch Lichtenstein airborne interception radars had a maximum range of about 4km - that's only about 2.5 miles.

So bringing those kind of radars to the MA would be rather pointless.
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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2014, 05:07:48 PM »

But again, not a system the OP wished for. There was no AWACS style equipped and used plane in WW2. There were planes with different kind of surface radars to locate (and in some cases target) naval or land based targets. And there were night fighters equipped with very short ranged air interception radars - which was generally much less effective than plain eyesight in daylight. For example, the famouch Lichtenstein airborne interception radars had a maximum range of about 4km - that's only about 2.5 miles.

So bringing those kind of radars to the MA would be rather pointless.

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Re: Plane-based Radar
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2014, 05:18:36 PM »
SKyyr you don't need radar---you shot me down just fine-with no problem :D
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