A way to discourage Bomb'N'bail/Suicide jabos.

[BnZs]

The purpose of the these much-maligned maneuvers is to cut out RTB, thus allowing sorties to be flown approximately twice as often.

Dive-bombers can also release their bombs lower, thus greatly reducing the skill needed to hit the target, if they are making no bid to pull out of their dive and survive.

I propose that ords be made unavailable to player for 15 minutes after a sortie in which that player bails/ditches/discos/dies with ordnance on board. This would remove the time motivation for the bomb'n'bail/suicide jabo, and encourage more realistic flight profiles for jabos.

Do it for the thousands of shiny new P-38Ls that are steered into the ground every tour!

[HawkerMKII]

-10000000....so I am omw to a base to pork ords......I get jumped by another player,,,I am heavy, he's light and I die. I don't get ords for 15 minutes

[Lusche]

I propose that ords be made unavailable to player for 15 minutes after a sortie in which that player bails/ditches/discos/dies with ordnance on board.

That doesn't make much sense to me at all. The bomb n bailer usually bails after dropping his ords... 

[Randy1]

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Do it for the thousands of shiny new P-38Ls that are steered into the ground every tour!

I don't think most of the P38L folks are bail'ers just poor dive bombing technique.

[LCADolby]

Another daft thread, good grief, when will it end?

[BnZs]

That doesn't make much sense to me at all. The bomb n bailer usually bails after dropping his ords... 

Yes, but he does it in order to make another run without having to take the time rtb. With a 15 minute delay on re-upping with ords there would be less time advantage over attempting to RTB.

[BnZs]

I don't think most of the P38L folks are bail'ers just poor dive bombing technique.

The effect remains the same. They get to make another run much more quickly than if they had attempted to RTB.

[BnZs]

Another daft thread, good grief, when will it end?

Please tell me what is daft or illogical about my idea as a way to discourage bomb'n'bail and suicide jabo'ing.

[Lusche]

Yes, but he does it in order to make another run without having to take the time rtb. With a 15 minute delay on re-upping with ords there would be less time advantage over attempting to RTB.

You wrote : 15 delay for someone bailing with ords still on board.
So this does not apply to bomb and bailers. They would  not get a delay at all.

[Dragon Tamer]

Interesting idea but as Lusche said, they bail after dropping bombs. Your wish also has some criteria that I don't agree with.

Bail- only if the aircraft has little sustained damage (not leaking and not missing parts).

Disco- Big no. It's rarely the players fault (unless they are pulling out there internet cable, which I would consider cheating of sorts) that they get discoed. The should not be punished if they get discoed with ord or without them.

Ditches- Only if the aircraft is undamaged/ lightly damaged. If it takes a few minor hits from the auto ack and they ditch then maybe.

Dies- Only if they hit the ground within x amount of time of dropping, and following the same criteria from the Ditches category. If they are killed by another player then this shouldn't apply (excluding proxies).

Again, interesting idea but I'm not entirely convinced this is the best way to solve the problem.

[SmokinLoon]

The only way is to make sticking to the mission, th err flight of the aircraft, be t life or death, higher in value than bailing out.

Until then there will be no value and no shame in bailing.

[guncrasher]

The purpose of the these much-maligned maneuvers is to cut out RTB, thus allowing sorties to be flown approximately twice as often.

Dive-bombers can also release their bombs lower, thus greatly reducing the skill needed to hit the target, if they are making no bid to pull out of their dive and survive.

I propose that ords be made unavailable to player for 15 minutes after a sortie in which that player bails/ditches/discos/dies with ordnance on board. This would remove the time motivation for the bomb'n'bail/suicide jabo, and encourage more realistic flight profiles for jabos.

Do it for the thousands of shiny new P-38Ls that are steered into the ground every tour!

you are contradicting yourself.  how will not not allowing for 15 min those who die with ords on board stop those who actually drop bombs and bail?


semp

edit: and before you correct yourself, this about this situation.  your base is under gv attack you up with ords and an unseen werbie nails you before you realease.  now you cant bomb gv's for 15 min. 

another situation.  you up bombers and hit a tree at the end of the runway  cause your cat jumped on the keyboard.  now you are stuck watching your squadies fly away as you wait for 15 min for bombs.

[MrKrabs]

Mommy, why won't the funny smelling man stop crying?

[PJ_Godzilla]

THere's a new one, BnZs. Now you smell funny.

As for the request, this is "coad", right? Can't we "coad" to discorage bails below significant damage levels? IE, if you drop, then bail undamaged/below some damage threshold, you're put in ord jail for some period? If you did it that way, you could make it a much longer period without penalizing the dude who bailed after he lost a wing. I LIKE that guy and want him back in the air ASAP, so that he can be nicely shtupped again and again and again, as if he were tied down inside a barracks (enjoy the twisted imagery conjured, aaaah).

[PJ_Godzilla]

In general, does everybody get that the numbers are way down and that changing nothing carries a high probability of nothing changing?