Review the Yak-3 damage model.

[Butcher]

Kano, a fellow tanker had the same problem, claimed he could hit a Panzer 4 10 times with a Panther and it wouldn't blow up. I reviewed the film closely..... Problem is in the film viewer, enemy tanks beyond 1k can't be seen on the film viewer, so I had to wait until he fired; rewind, track his turret to the nearest enemy tank, and watch each splash.
He was pretty much hitting all over the place; it looked like a HIT sprite on the center of the Panzer4, however its well known this is just because the Sprite is only one size; from an extreme distance it looks like the sprite is bigger then the enemy tank!
He was simply hitting all the soft spots on the tank; no real damage from it; hell at one point he puts a round through the window of an M3, it was a glancing blow; however from a distance it was a "kill shot".

I tracked about 15-20 shells, and just summed it up as "Bad aiming", he was accurate at 1.5k out, just wasn't accurate enough to hit the armor square up; it was always on an angle, or really bad shot.

Other times I tracked a Tiger 2 shot from 3.6k away and nailed someone at a spawn, from the film viewer my Shell landed about 20 feet BEHIND the tank; however his tank blew up and I was credited with the kill.... (wanted to save it for later but...doh)
Can't remember to many wacky things from flying, other then 109K getting magical hit sprites but the plane takes no damage (30mm shots only).

[save]

Eatg, thank you for your input !

I do not run films in AH2, after I changed my motherboard/CPU.

I do not shoot with tracers on, as the combined tracers of 4 20mm just clutter the sky instead of showing where/or if  you actually hit the plane flying in front of you.

I agree on the non consistency theory on the Yak.

 

[alskahawk]

  There are problems with the Yak 3 besides the damage issue. The climbing ability is ridicules. That needs to be tweaked down some.  There are other aircraft/tanks that have issues.  These need to be looked at.

[FLOOB]

  There are problems with the Yak 3 besides the damage issue. The climbing ability is ridicules. That needs to be tweaked down some.  There are other aircraft/tanks that have issues.  These need to be looked at.

My last kill in a 202 was a yak-3, his wingtip came off pretty easlily. Can you elaborate on what's ridiculous about it's climb ability?

[skorpx1]

  There are problems with the Yak 3 besides the damage issue. The climbing ability is ridicules. That needs to be tweaked down some.  There are other aircraft/tanks that have issues.  These need to be looked at.

Weighing in at under 7000lb when fully loaded, a very powerful engine and small airframe with low amounts of drag make for a very effective climber. The Yak-3 has no issues other than the stupidly small ammo loadout that will never be changed.

Even with only a very limited amount of ammo, it's still possible to land 5 kills (if you're a good aim) in the Yaks.



I fly the Yak-3 quite often and I see no issues with it other than the pilot wounds. Nothing but pilot wounds when you fly that thing. You cant even take off without getting a pilot wound.

[alskahawk]

 here's a quick test I just ran with the Yak3. Runway to 10,000 ft. 2.32.26  versus 109k4. 2.53.35
The way I tested it was as soon as the aircraft started rolling. start the stopwatch. airborne (wheels in the well) set auto climb get to 10krecord the time.

 Another test I did was at 1,000 ft (level)best ias (around 345 for Yak 3) pull back on the stick to get 4,000 rate of climb. Yak 3 climbed up through 10,000 ft before stalling at around 100 ias. 109k (1 test @345) stalled out at around 8k @ 125 ias (none wep tested)

 Note; In this unscientific test the Yak 3 never dropped below 3750 climb(until stall) while the 109k dropped to 3500 around 6k. Yak 3 was still pulling at under 150 ias. Do your own tests and draw your own conclusions.

 The Yak should be a good climber, but combine that with the robust airframe that is a metal/wood combination. It's still a 5800 lb aircraft.

[bozon]

Another test I did was at 1,000 ft (level)best ias (around 345 for Yak 3) pull back on the stick to get 4,000 rate of climb. Yak 3 climbed up through 10,000 ft before stalling at around 100 ias. 109k (1 test @345) stalled out at around 8k @ 125 ias (none wep tested)

 Note; In this unscientific test the Yak 3 never dropped below 3750 climb(until stall) while the 109k dropped to 3500 around 6k. Yak 3 was still pulling at under 150 ias. Do your own tests and draw your own conclusions.

That is my main issue with the Yak3 flight model. It still climb between 3700-4000 fpm at its 100 mph stall speed! Stall buzzer humming, full rudder to keep it straight, stutters, and it still rockets upwards as if it is at its best climb speed (100% fuel, needless to say...). Does anyone has the wing-loading of the Yak?

I fly the Yak-3 quite often and I see no issues with it other than the pilot wounds. Nothing but pilot wounds when you fly that thing. You cant even take off without getting a pilot wound.

A lot of pilots wounds could mean that the pilot is not protected AND it could mean that nothing else gets damaged on you plane so you only get the pilot wounds. The only reliable way to kill the yak is to shoot the pilot. Very rarely I see it lose a wing, or catch fire which are common deaths on other planes.

[Rich46yo]

Next time turn the WEP on the K4. See what happens then.

[Lusche]

Next time turn the WEP on the K4. See what happens then.

2:53 to 10k indicates he had WEP on in the 109K,

Though I can't duplicate the Yak's climb time to 10k at all. Tests running, results will be in soon

[Lusche]

My result:




Both planes starting at sea level with 100%, fuel burn at MA setting of 2.0, 109K is using WEP until it runs out. Time and exact altitude measurements were taken from the film viewer.

[PJ_Godzilla]

So the "test", as I suspect, was actually an anecdote. For the record, ahwiki says 4000 fpm asl for the yak, peaking at 4300 fpm, 4500 fpm asl for the k-4, peaking at 4700 fpm.

[Karnak]

here's a quick test I just ran with the Yak3. Runway to 10,000 ft. 2.32.26  versus 109k4. 2.53.35
The way I tested it was as soon as the aircraft started rolling. start the stopwatch. airborne (wheels in the well) set auto climb get to 10krecord the time.

 Another test I did was at 1,000 ft (level)best ias (around 345 for Yak 3) pull back on the stick to get 4,000 rate of climb. Yak 3 climbed up through 10,000 ft before stalling at around 100 ias. 109k (1 test @345) stalled out at around 8k @ 125 ias (none wep tested)

 Note; In this unscientific test the Yak 3 never dropped below 3750 climb(until stall) while the 109k dropped to 3500 around 6k. Yak 3 was still pulling at under 150 ias. Do your own tests and draw your own conclusions.

 The Yak should be a good climber, but combine that with the robust airframe that is a metal/wood combination. It's still a 5800 lb aircraft.

You're not climbing at best climb rate.  You're speeds are too low, indicating you are climbing at too steep an angle.  This will change the outcome.  The Bf109K-4 climbs much faster than 3500fpm at an altitude of 6,000ft.

[FLOOB]

Can the yak really climb at 100mph without stalling or is bozon exagerating?

[skorpx1]

Can the yak really climb at 100mph without stalling or is bozon exagerating?

Yes, but not at the rate Bozon is saying. You'd be lucky to get even half of what he's saying.

[alskahawk]

 As I stated my test was just a quick test. No wep. Just taking both aircraft out and getting it up to 10k. As stated before. Started stopwatch when I released the brakes on the runway. Once gear was up, engaged auto climb (angle climb) let aircraft climb to 10k clicked stop on the watch.