Is it wrong???

[Changeup]

What's more interesting around here is that other people want to force you to lean in the direction that makes it easier for them to get a kill, or to have a "fun" fight. Doing otherwise is dishonorable and/or makes you a dweeb. They don't ask, they almost demand, if you deviate from those instructions you are garbage and will never amount to anything.

WRONG.

It means other people don't wanna hear uberness until uberness is actually achieved, lol

[BnZs]

Nothing much you can do in this game except hacking Hitech's code or otherwise cheating for advantage is morally wrong.

Now, you were flying a Brewster, with which (no disrespect intended) a chimpanzee could win a turning dogfight against an LA or most other Late-War "monster" planes when flown by fighter jock of average skill. The LA has ways to win that fight, but instead of relatively intuitive angles fighting the LA must use advanced, difficult, tricky E fighting,  which thing the Brew can still often mess up through prop-hanging and reaching out with the golden BBs at 400 plus yards. In the hangar *you* chose a plane that can outmaneuver most easily, but that comes at the price of being unable to run down most. He couldn't use the strengths of his plane to shoot you down, but guess what, you weren't able (in 4 or 5 attempts) to convert the strengths of *your* plane into a killing shot either. So it ended in a stalemate. Nothing shameful in that on your part, but nothing shameful on his part either. And if the La7 pilot had possessed the skill to convert into a killing opportunity on you, I don't think you would be any emotionally happier with that outcome than with him running away. The MA is a vicious and competitive game. You may not be happy when someone kills you or the prey slips away, but you can't reasonably expect the prey to lay down and die for you either. In the long term, that wouldn't really be any fun either now would it?

Today I up my trusty Brewster. I tangled with a few then in comes a LA.  Get on his six and he leaves, running away. I roll out, he returns, then he runs. Happened 4 or 5 times. Just before blowing a gasket I begin to ponder. I see a lot of talk on the forum about "run stangs" "spit dweeb" blah blah. Is it really wrong to capitalize on each planes strength? I was turning and burning the Brewster. Was I in the wrong to use its strength?



Random post, no doubt. Just a thought...

[BnZs]

well.... it does start out wrong.... 

What's wrong with the Brew? True it turns so well that a chimp could win an angles fight against most planes in it, but that comes at the price of being slower than an iron toad. So it will often find other planes simply walking out of its gun range when it gains an angle, and will find itself in bad situations it cannot possibly extend away from. That's balanced. Some planes turn well but are slow, some are fast but turn badly. The Brew is simply near one of the extreme ends of this spectrum, and there's nothing wrong with that. 

Take your beloved F4U Corsair and compare it to a 190D9. They are also at very different places on the spectrum. The Corsair turns much better, the D9 has an edge in acceleration and top speed.

Now you may say that if a Brew manages to get close to the six of your Corsair for some reason, such as he dove on you or you were already engaged with another plane, then the fight is pretty easy mode for him after that. And you would be right! But if a Corsair locks onto the six of a slow D9 (perhaps it had engaged a P-51D in a classic matchup), it is also the Corsair's fight to loose and there is not too much the D9 pilot can do if the Corsair pilot is competent, right? All the planes have something going for them and some things that can be said against them, and I think in the long run the MA is more interesting if people are flying a variety of fighters to their various strengths, rather than a very few types.

[nrshida]

What's more interesting around here is that other people want to force you to lean in the direction that makes it easier for them to get a kill, or to have a "fun" fight. Doing otherwise is dishonorable and/or makes you a dweeb. They don't ask, they almost demand, if you deviate from those instructions you are garbage and will never amount to anything.

Well such vacuous rhetoric is easily recognized and ignored. I think implying superiority through applying an inherently safer or advantageous approach is equally meaningless.

Not really my point at all however.

[GScholz]

I always think it's interesting to consider why players tend towards one end or the other of the BnZ - TnB spectrum.

That's why I like the 109s so much. They can do both. And the Spit XIV too (the best 109 ever made!).

[Kingpin]

Ah, so encountering those guys and dying means you haven't mastered all 3. Therefore, on the flipside, if you fought any two (or perhaps three) of those guys, at the same time, in a 2v1 or even a 3v1, and won, it means you do know what you're doing. Hmmmm... interesting. Thanks for the reassurance!

Here's a perfect illustration of my point from earlier in the thread.

[nrshida]

That's why I like the 109s so much. They can do both. And the Spit XIV too (the best 109 ever made!).

How dare you derail this thread with a discussion of the 109 GScholz. You never see a 109 thread derailed  

Yes tactics are very relevant to the opponent's aircraft. Unless you have a significant speed advantage, then ACM need not be very demanding at all.

[Zerstorer]

Energy-->Angles-->Stall Fighting = What the best pilots that have ever played the game are able to do all the time, anytime, in any situation and in virtually every plane.

An interesting statement. My addition in red is to clarify an implied point in the statement.

If "uberness" is using all three aspects, and statistics mean nothing in this game... how does one measure "uberness"? I believe its been stated or implied that it cannot be measured. If this is the case...at what point does one know they achieve this status?

[Max]

Hate PM's would be my 1st guess. 

[Lusche]

Hate PM's would be my 1st guess. 

Don't think so.... if it were that case, I would have had achieved 'uberness' many years ago.
Sometimes I think killing goons seems to create way more hate PM's than displays of awesome ACM 

[BaldEagl]

If "uberness" is using all three aspects, and statistics mean nothing in this game... how does one measure "uberness"? I believe its been stated or implied that it cannot be measured. If this is the case...at what point does one know they achieve this status?

The build-up finally releases and the next thing you know you're knee deep.

[Changeup]

An interesting statement. My addition in red is to clarify an implied point in the statement.

If "uberness" is using all three aspects, and statistics mean nothing in this game... how does one measure "uberness"? I believe its been stated or implied that it cannot be measured. If this is the case...at what point does one know they achieve this status?

Uberness is what your squadmates have been claiming since they got here.  All of the rest of your post is drivel....again.  When they can fly in those modes fluidly, come brag on the boards about their excellence...until then, pfffft...its just noise.

[Kruel]

WRONG.

It means other people don't wanna hear uberness until uberness is actually achieved, lol

Oh, who decides that ? You? The best pilot in your squad? This is where we have a fundamental difference in philosophy, we make our own definition of what skill is, we try to achieve the goals we set for ourselves, be it rank wise or kill streak or having a good fight vs multiple opponents, or having fun our way.

You still think its just a saying..but..We really don't give a Damn, what you think or anyone else thinks. We aren't here to please you.

[Skyyr]

Uberness is what your squadmates have been claiming since they got here.  All of the rest of your post is drivel....again.  When they can fly in those modes fluidly, come brag on the boards about their excellence...until then, pfffft...its just noise.

No one currently in our squad claimed to be "uber," nor have we promoted that. In fact, our single stance has been a focus on effectiveness, so the über argument is sort of baseless.

That being said, your argument insults those we have shot down.  You imply that we do not know how to fly stall fighting or turn fighting, which would belie a shortcoming in our skillset. Therefore, in line with your reasoning, if we happen to win a fight, it's logically it shows an accomplishment on our behalf, as we would have been fighting against someone who supposedly possesses additional superior skillsets.

Logically, your argument does not hold weight, unless you mean to state that the opponents we defeat are not versed in e-fighting, in which case, what you have stated about us lacking in skillset applies equally to them.
 

[Volron]

I'm the Uber of hitting trees?  Do I win a prize?