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Offline Slade

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FM2 vs. BF-109f
« on: September 13, 2014, 07:13:49 AM »
Hey all,

For those verse in both FM2s and BF-109fs what can you see as the advantages and disadvantages in using one over the other? 

Not against each other.  Just their strengths and weaknesses in comparison to each other.

It just seemed to me that they are of very similar roles and capabilities.


Thanks for your feedback,

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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 07:27:04 AM »
It just seemed to me that they are of very similar roles and capabilities.


I'd say they about as different in capabilities as it can get.

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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 07:57:33 AM »
Thanks that is very useful.

I was thinking they both: have about the same top speed, turn well, OK gun pkg.

What makes them distinct from each other?

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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 08:04:19 AM »
Thanks that is very useful.

I was thinking they both: have about the same top speed, turn well, OK gun pkg.

What makes them distinct from each other?

Thanks again.

The 109F is a good bit faster, climbs better and accelerates better.

The FM-2 is a more maneuverable, better ballistics out of the Brownings, doesn't suffer the same hit to its firepower once its primary gun goes dry, dives like a brick, and can soak up damage like a sponge.
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2014, 12:08:43 PM »
Also the 109 is a sexy machine. FM2, not so much.  :devil
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2014, 12:10:32 PM »
Saxman summed it up fairly well. Fm2 can also operate from a carrier, no 109 can.
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2014, 01:08:58 PM »
In general, the 109F is a much more capable fighter. In the FM2 you will be straggling to catch opponents unless you come with a lot of alt on them, or catch them during/after a fight with another. Those that you can catch, will be zekes, KI-43s and the super-Brewster, that can turn just about as well or even better than you. At the short ranges at which FM2 engages and the typical tracking shots you will get, the 4x0.5s do a good job and are easier to work with than the 109F single 20mm (the 7.62mm guns are for show). The main food of FM2 is probably spits that assume that they can out-turn anything. They will be wrong.

Perhaps the biggest thing you get in the FM2 that is missing in the 109F is durability. No radiator and very tough, the FM2 can take a hit and keep on fighting. Not very important in a duel, but in a furball this is meaningful. As a bonus, you can roll it from carriers which means you can use it in any fight, sea or land. It also has some JABO capability that the 109 does not have, but it is no F6F or F4U, so do not expect too much.

In the arena, 109F enjoys some "tag anonymity" - it appears as "109" till 1000 yards and everyone will assume that you are 109K or G14 at least. This helps the 109F a lot because 109K and 109F are very different planes in term of how they fight and opponents should treat them differently. The FM2 on the other hand appears as F4F till 1000 yards which makes little difference to your opponent.
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2014, 01:35:01 PM »
Bozon, exceedingly well said.   :aok

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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 01:48:54 AM »
The 109 preforms so much better in the vertical than the FM2 it's not even worth measuring.  It accelerates much faster as well.  As pointed in previous posts, the FM2's guns are one of its strong points. 

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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 09:31:01 AM »
not every fight is dictated by vertical performance 


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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 10:12:30 AM »
not every fight is dictated by vertical performance 

When the 109 has a significant advantage in both climb and speed it can really dictate the fight. Also the low speed turning performance is closer than some might think. The 109's turning circle is 10% bigger than the FM2's, but the 109 has a two degree better DPS. So it's really up to pilot skill in a pure flat turn fight.
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2014, 11:10:06 AM »
not every fight is dictated by vertical performance 

If the 109 pilot is smart... It will be....
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2014, 11:22:58 AM »
This is very much like the F4U-1A vs the Spit16. The F4U can gain angles off of the merge, because it can scrub off speed faster on the initial reverse. However, if the Spit goes vertical, the F4U has a big problem.

Likewise with the FM-2 and 109F-4. The 109 doesn't have to reverse immediately, it can extend a bit and then reverse, after the FM-2 has blown his E on the hard reversal. It should also be noted that the 109 will usually carry a lot more E into the engagement, which can quickly be converted to altitude. Once the 109 gets on top of the FM-2, the Wildcat is now on the defensive and the outcome is in doubt.
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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2014, 02:18:20 PM »
109F vs. FM2:



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Re: FM2 vs. BF-109f
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 06:31:27 AM »
Cool video!  That FM2 took a lot of hits!

I few times I encountered a P-47 with a BF-109f that had the same feel.  Took hitting it over and over.  Tried to save my 20mm for perfect setup shots at close range.

I was flying both FM2 and 109f over the weekend.  The opportunities that arose seemed to favor the FM2.  I hear you all though.  The 109f is superior in almost every aspect to the FM2.  Not being as good at aiming as some the FM2 seems easier to get meaningful hits in for me.

Great feed back in this thread.  Thanks all.  :salute
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