Ta-152

[Lucifer]

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This plane was a "life saver" for the pilots who had the chance to fight with it.

All encounters happened under the "über compression capabilities" of its engine (>27000 Fts), though the AH's 152 FM is completely
against the 1945 pilots statement : Plane cant turn(very well), cant roll(very well), cant run(very well) and can only dive very well... (all this compared to P51D, Typhoon, P47D25, etc they met in fights).

Maybe (i say maybe) there are still some flaws in the 152 FM, HTC ?

Thoughts ?

**RUN**

[glzsqd]

152 has a good roll. Just not the same rollrate as the other 190s.

And remember that WW2 air combat in the ETO looked nothing like the MA furballs we have today.
The 152 was not built to scrap at tree top level, it was built for the altitudes that out fighter escorts would come in at (around 25k or so if I'm not mistaken)

[puller]

Here's a tree top level fight involving 152's and Tempys...

...From Wikipedia

We reached the position at an altitude of 200 metres, just at the moment when both Tempests after diving started climbing again. Just as the dogfight was developing Sepp Sattler, on our side, was hit and his plane fell like a stone out of the sky ... The Tempest which I attacked quickly reached the same height as me and was [at] approximately 10 o'clock before me. The dogfight began between 50 and 100 metres above ground level and very often the wing tips passed close over the treetops ... The whole fight was executed in a left-hand turn, the low altitude of which would not allow for any mistakes. Ever so gradually I gained metre-by-metre on the Tempest and after a few circles, I had reached the most favourable shooting position ... I pressed my machine gun buttons[10] for the first time ... I could see the Tempest for a short moment in straight ahead flight displaying slightly erratic flying behaviour. But immediately she went straight back into the left turn ... I sighted the Tempest very favourably in my cross hairs and could not have missed, but my machine guns experienced feeding problems. I therefore tried to shoot it down with my cannon and forced her into a tight left-hand turn from where she tipped out over her right wing and crashed into a forest

[glzsqd]

I'm well aware of the account. Its also stated that the tempest pilots were inexperienced.

[The Fugitive]

Less yada,  yada,  yada, and more proof. HTC has been know to adjust setting if and only if good proof can be provided.

[Zoney]

I'm guessing someone got shot down by a TA152.

[GScholz]

I'm well aware of the account. Its also stated that the tempest pilots were inexperienced.

And the Luftwaffe was just filled to the brim with Experten in 1945... (Sarcasm)

[bustr]

If I'm not mistaken, HiTech built a program equivalent of a wind tunnel for testing flight modeling in his physics environment. With so many WW2 aircraft that have surviving data to help bench mark his testing program. And industry standard data to augment that benchmarking. And the Ta152 schematics and some surviving data. What are we arguing?

1. - Some gaps might have been filled in with a well benchmarked testing program.
2. - That gaps might exist and there for you want the gaps filled to suit your interpretation of what you have read?

Who is more suited to fill the gaps. Yourself with no background on the Ta152 other than Internet reading, or HiTech basing his livelihood and reputation on his benchmarked program and extensive research and Warbird contacts to model the Ta152?

If you can provide newer real data, I've never seen HiTech ignore real verifiable data. It's just a grueling task searching for it. 

[bozon]

Here's a tree top level fight involving 152's and Tempys...
...

The tempest is one of the worst turning planes of WWII by the way. Turn fights in practice tend not to follow the dry performance tables because the conditions are never like in the test data. Therefore you cannot conclude anything from one report that lacks specific details. The TA152 barely counts as a WWII fighter given the tiny number of them and how little real action they saw in total - for this reason I do not suppose there are a lot of concrete data as to its performance or comparative flight tests. I could be wrong, I am not a 152 history expert.

[save]

Tempest turn much better than the 190A5, and more than 25% better than the A8, and 20% better than the Dora.
The 'Pest'  turn just about the same as the 109G6 in AH. all data without flaps.

With flaps deployed 109s get the better out of that tempest, but what Tempy driver fly it slow ?

[Scherf]

And the Luftwaffe was just filled to the brim with Experten in 1945... (Sarcasm)

It *was* Reschke...

[lyric1]

Just keep in mind the TA-152 was purpose built for the onslaught of B-29's the Germans thought were coming.

[GScholz]

It *was* Reschke...

And this *was* his *first* low level fighter kill. Reschke flew Fw 190A-8 bomber interceptors before transitioning to the Ta 152.

[Debrody]

The 152 can dogfight very well, see Junky, Moot, Sukov, Grizz, Irish or Krup flying it. Once you learn to deal with the instability, it becomes quite decent.

[JunkyII]

The 152 can dogfight very well, see Junky, Moot, Sukov, Grizz, Irish or Krup flying it. Once you learn to deal with the instability, it becomes quite decent.

Thanks for the mention but those guys all lay the smack down on me quite frequently....I do like getting dirty in a 152 though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_7QtXwcSo