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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 08:28:10 AM »
I'd read a pretty scathing critique earlier today about how disingenuous the film was. No mention of Saddam, or WMDs, or any of the ACTUAL reasons the US gave for going into Iraq. Kyle is presented as a one-man army and the rest of the troops were utterly helpless and aimless without him playing Captain America to lead the way. The film acted as if there was no such thing as civilians, and everyone in Iraq was either a US soldier or an Al Qaida militant, and there was nothing in-between.

It must have been written by a kool-aid drinking hippie.
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 08:34:49 AM »
There's enough ignorance in this thread to qualify as a government agency.

Kyle was a SEAL, left the Navy because his family was #1 priority. I believe he left as a Chief Petty Officer.

He is credited with "over 160" confirmed kills. Most there with him state that the actual count is about double that.

Kyle admitted that he was far from the best shot among snipers. However, that game has many more skill sets than just marksmanship. Kyle didn't consider himself even remotely in the league of Carlos Hathcock. Kyle's humility was very refreshing.

Within the SEALs, Kyle was referred to as the "Legend". It's more than a tongue-in-cheek nickname.

Over 300 Iraq war vets have testified to having been saved by Kyle. Yet, Kyle gave most credit to other snipers.

The film is based on Kyle's book. That book has generated over 2.5 million dollars in income, every dime of which was given to charity. Kyle took none of the profits.

Two Silver Stars, four Bronze stars.  There's a push to get one of the Silver Stars upgraded to a CMoH. You can be sure Kyle would object if he were alive.

Two SEALs witnessed Kyle knocking Ventura on his arse, but were deployed when the case went to trial. One has since left the Navy and will testify at the appeal hearing.

Finally, READ THE BOOK! And, read "The Life and Legend of Chris Kyle". Much of Kyle's life and military career were not discussed in Kyle's book.

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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 08:52:46 AM »
I'd read a pretty scathing critique earlier today about how disingenuous the film was. No mention of Saddam, or WMDs, or any of the ACTUAL reasons the US gave for going into Iraq. Kyle is presented as a one-man army and the rest of the troops were utterly helpless and aimless without him playing Captain America to lead the way. The film acted as if there was no such thing as civilians, and everyone in Iraq was either a US soldier or an Al Qaida militant, and there was nothing in-between.

I suppose that the idiot who wrote the review failed to notice that the film was based upon a man's personal story.

Some people are so stupid that if breathing wasn't a reflex, they'd immediately suffocate....
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 09:16:41 AM »
There's enough ignorance in this thread to qualify as a government agency.

Kyle was a SEAL, left the Navy because his family was #1 priority. I believe he left as a Chief Petty Officer.

He is credited with "over 160" confirmed kills. Most there with him state that the actual count is about double that.

Kyle admitted that he was far from the best shot among snipers. However, that game has many more skill sets than just marksmanship. Kyle didn't consider himself even remotely in the league of Carlos Hathcock. Kyle's humility was very refreshing.

Within the SEALs, Kyle was referred to as the "Legend". It's more than a tongue-in-cheek nickname.

Over 300 Iraq war vets have testified to having been saved by Kyle. Yet, Kyle gave most credit to other snipers.

The film is based on Kyle's book. That book has generated over 2.5 million dollars in income, every dime of which was given to charity. Kyle took none of the profits.

Two Silver Stars, four Bronze stars.  There's a push to get one of the Silver Stars upgraded to a CMoH. You can be sure Kyle would object if he were alive.

Two SEALs witnessed Kyle knocking Ventura on his arse, but were deployed when the case went to trial. One has since left the Navy and will testify at the appeal hearing.

Finally, READ THE BOOK! And, read "The Life and Legend of Chris Kyle". Much of Kyle's life and military career were not discussed in Kyle's book.


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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2015, 12:01:23 PM »
"There’s a story about Chris Kyle: on a cold January morning in 2010, he pulled into a gas station somewhere along Highway 67, south of Dallas. He was driving his supercharged black Ford F350 outfitted with black rims and oversize knobby mudding tires. Kyle had replaced the Ford logo on the grill with a small chrome skull, similar to the Punisher emblem from the Marvel Comics series, and added a riot-ready aftermarket grill guard bearing the words ROAD ARMOR. He had just left the Navy and moved back to Texas.

Two guys approached him with pistols and demanded his money and the keys to his truck. With his hands in the air, he sized up which man seemed most confident with his gun.

Kyle knew what confidence with a gun looked like. He was the deadliest sniper in American history. He had at least 160 confirmed kills by the Pentagon’s count, but by his own count—and the accounts of his Navy SEAL teammates—the number was closer to twice that. In his four tours of duty in Iraq, Kyle earned two Silver Stars and five Bronze Stars with Valor. He survived six IED attacks, three gunshot wounds, two helicopter crashes, and more surgeries than he could remember. He was known among his SEAL brethren as The Legend and to his enemies as al-Shaitan, “the devil.”

He told the robbers that he just needed to reach back into the truck to get the keys. He turned around and reached under his winter coat instead, into his waistband. With his right hand, he grabbed his Colt 1911. He fired two shots under his left armpit, hitting the first man twice in the chest. Then he turned slightly and fired two more times, hitting the second man twice in the chest. Both men fell dead.

Kyle leaned on his truck and waited for the police.



When they arrived, they detained him while they ran his driver’s license. But instead of his name, address, and date of birth, what came up was a phone number at the Department of Defense. At the other end of the line was someone who explained that the police were in the presence of one of the most skilled fighters in U.S. military history. When they reviewed the surveillance footage, the officers found the incident had happened just as Kyle had described it. They were very understanding, and they didn't want to drag a just-home, highly decorated veteran into a messy legal situation.

Kyle wasn't unnerved or bothered. Quite the opposite. He’d been feeling depressed since he left the service, struggling to adjust to civilian life. This was an exciting reminder of the action he missed.

That night, talking on the phone to his wife, Taya, who was in the process of moving with their kids from California, he was a good husband. He asked how her day was. The way some people tell it, he got caught up in their conversation, and only right before they hung up did he remember his big news of the day: “Oh, yeah, I shot two guys trying to steal my truck today.”

A brief description of the incident appeared in fellow SEAL Marcus Luttrell’s 2012 book Service: a Navy SEAL at War— but not Kyle’s own best-seller, American Sniper—and there are mentions of it in various forums deep in the corners of the internet. Before Kyle’s murder at the hands of a fellow veteran in February, I asked him about that story during an interview in his office last year, as part of what was supposed to be an extended, in-depth magazine story about his service and how hard he worked to adjust back to this world—to become the great husband and father and Christian he’d always wanted to be.

He didn’t want to get into specifics about the gas station shooting, but I left that day believing it had happened."

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of-chris-kyle-01?single=1
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2015, 02:30:57 PM »
Virtually every SEAL asked said that they would take Kyle's word over that of Ventura...

That said, Ventura was told in no uncertain terms, that if he EVER shows up at any SEAL function, party or event, he WILL be leaving on his back. Any courtesy he received in the past is done and over. He is now a pariah.

Meanwhile, Kyle's wife is appealing the verdict... Her lawyers are expected to present an eyewitness, who came forward after the jury decision. I would not be surprised at the case being overturned.

Indeed, I would be delighted.  
Approximately three years ago I was having dinner with a friend who'd served in special forces during Vietnam.  While we were talking the high school principal came up and my friend introduced him.  Come to find out he had been a navy seal.  The had a little fun with me sense I had never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane and have spent my time drinking beer while station in Germany.  During the course of the conversation the seal said he was there when Kyle knocked Ventura on his ass'.
I had no reason then nor now to doubt his words!
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2015, 09:21:03 AM »
Got to see it yesterday. I have to say  it was a pretty good movie. The thing that amazed me the most was when the movie was over and people were leaving the theater almost most no one was talking, and the very few that were talked in whispers. I don't know if it was because people were tearing up, or in awe, or out of respect. I'm go with the last  :salute

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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2015, 02:08:20 PM »
I also saw it yesterday.

When Kyle met with the recruiter, unlike many guys younger than he was when enlisting, he had a notion that his country needed him.  When he watched WTC towers fall, he was certain of his purpose, and resolved to do his duty.  That is the story here, I think.  Fighting spirit is the proper term.  Without it, none of us would enjoy the liberty which empowers vigorous debates about right and wrong.

Intellectuals, in my opinion, are free to cast aspersions upon any geo-political-economic events they see fit.  But where I live, they should be quite careful to leave the soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coast guardsmen out of the discussion.  At a minimum, crossing that line would earn them a fat lip.

I can't agree to 10-year wars run by fuzzy headed politicians (amateurs).  It breaks my heart to see so many young people of one generation maimed and destroyed spiritually.  Honoring those individuals is the very least we can do.  If you haven't supported these servicemen before now, let Kyle's story inspire you.

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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2015, 03:48:37 PM »
I got to go see this movie .
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2015, 01:52:44 AM »
Are the British incapable of making a movie? Or do they need the Americans to help with that too.

Britains dont like to make things up and American film producers make films to please the American public.

It is quite appalling that you view these films as a historical representation of historical events.

By the way WWII started in 1939 not 1941.

Has North Korea invaded yet and has Lincoln killed any vampires recently?.


A colonial did admit to me that the film was a bit like a propaganda film WWII, i wont name him just incase the pitchforks come out and a witch trails occurs :old:

Pearl Habour was a very good film especially the romance scenes, and so was Redtails :old:
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2015, 02:02:55 AM »
Pearl Habour was a very good film especially the romance scenes, and so was Redtails :old:

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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2015, 02:38:18 AM »
Is that a troll? Hurt Locker was a pathetic excuse for a war movie.

I, too, thought Hurt Locker wasn't good.  It was a typical mediocre Hollywood movie.

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2015, 03:16:31 AM »
Britains dont like to make things up

That's what makes Doctor Who, Monty Python, Red Dwarf, Downton Abbey, Gormanghast, and The Tudors so good.

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and American film producers make films to please the American public.

And, boy, do they suck at it often.

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It is quite appalling that you view these films as a historical representation of historical events.

Well, some are mostly true with some changes to make it a movie (American Sniper, Midway, A Bridge Too Far, maybe Lawrence of Arabia, Galipoli), some don't depict specific historical events but get the larger context completely correct (Das Boot, Battle of Britain, 12 O'Clock High -- and Lincoln Vampire Hunter, of course), and many are complete crap (Pearl Harbor, U571, etc.) -- this last category being the one for which it's appalling.  Only a small number are correct in most picky details (like Theirs is the Glory, 30 Seconds Over Tokyo, Band of Brothers).

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A colonial did admit to me that the film was a bit like a propaganda film WWII, i wont name him just incase the pitchforks come out and a witch trails occurs

Yes -- Col. Seth Rogan.  ;)

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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2015, 03:25:56 AM »
I saw it today.  My wife and I thought that it was a good movie and were happy to see it.

Judging it just on cinematic aspects (no judgement about the real person or history), I would say that it is good, but I wouldn't be as inclined to see it again as for some others that are my favorites (Lawrence of Arabia, A Bridge Too Far, Midway, Das Boot, Downfall, the first part of Saving Private Ryan, as a few examples).

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2015, 04:02:35 AM »
The film is based on Kyle's book. That book has generated over 2.5 million dollars in income, every dime of which was given to charity. Kyle took none of the profits.

roadkill, the court case revealed that only 2% of the profits went to charity. The rest went into Kyle's and his family's pocket.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado/page/0/2

And it seems he lied about a few other things
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

It paints the picture of a man who was a sociopath and a liar.