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Offline Max

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Speeding up an older computer
« on: October 10, 2014, 07:07:43 AM »
My computer at work is a Dell OptiPlex 380. Core Duo E7500 2.93 Ghz. Win7 32 bit 2 GB ram.  System is about 3 yrs old.

Aside from web browser & MS Office the primary use is QuickBooks, which in itself hold many years of tracking data.

Over time, the functionality has become slower, especially when booting and navigating QuickBooks. Defrag is scheduled to run weekly. Conventional wisdom suggests that registry issues accumulate over time and the fix is a clean install of the OS...not a practical solution in my case. I've heard that CCleaner may be helpful for registry cleaning but a Google search of registry cleaners suggests that they really don't help all that much and may actually cause serious registry problems.

So the question is, short of a clean re-install of Windows, what can I do to speed things up? QuickBooks users, is there a way to speed up the program? Think I recall an option whereby QB can compact older data but I'm not sure how that's done.

I added 2 G's of ram the other day hoping that will help...haven't had time to see the working results.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 07:41:10 AM »
Why can't you back up the data (which you should do anyway)?
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 09:48:08 AM »
I do back up to an ext HD. I've researched a number of ways to speed up QB and will give those a try. Still, I'm interested in overall ways to speed up the overall use experience.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 10:01:39 AM »
Max, I use Quickbooks Enterprise Solutions and in my experience it is a bloated, buggy, and slow piece of software. I'm using some fairly new hardware. Some programs will load in the blink of an eye and run great. Others like Quickbooks are just slow. My feeling is that even if everything is optimized and running to perfection Quickbooks is still going to be slower then most of the other programs you use on a daily basis.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 12:17:29 PM »
Have you tried tweaking the settings? http://support.quickbooks.intuit.com/support/articles/SLN65343

Also several articles seem to indicate that quickbooks is a i/o heavy application so a cheap SSD will speed it up enormously (given that quickbook cache and your files will be saved to the SSD).
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 12:52:51 PM »
Our Network is lightly loaded. The company file is located on a server. Hosting the company file is basically all the server does. We use SSDs. The cache is set up like the guide you posted indicates.

Quickbooks is one of the slowest programs I use and I'm fairly certain there isn't anything I can do to change that.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 12:54:15 PM »
Our Network is lightly loaded. The company file is located on a server. Hosting the company file is basically all the server does. We use SSDs. The cache is set up like the guide you posted indicates.

Quickbooks is one of the slowest programs I use and I'm fairly certain there isn't anything I can do to change that.

If you access it through the network it will be slow by default compared to native i/o. By orders of magnitude.
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 02:00:01 PM »
Max, there's many things you can try. The first is to add RAM which I understood you've already done. 2 GB for Win7 isn't really much, but a 32 bit OS can't handle more than 4 GB and the system will show only some 3.5 at the max. What next?

I've had a very good experience with CCleaner, it's one of the first tools I use on a slow rig, but since we're talking about a business computer, I'd recommend some precautions. You said you have backups made, but I'd like you to take it one step further: Make a clone of your existing hard disk just in case something goes awry and verify the clone's functionality before attempting any speeding tricks.

Now that you have an identical hard disk to save your bacon in the worst scenario, let's start playing! You might want to start with built-in Windows tools, for which this gives quite a thorough list to go through: http://computerstepbystep.com/pc-tune-up-windows-7.html. The most important ones to do is to  run a Disk error checkup (chkdsk /r), do a Disk cleanup for temporary files (cleanmgr) and check Windows system files integrity (sfc /scannow). Resetting the browsers won't hurt, either, and while you're at it tweak the settings so that they won't gather unnecessary crap. After a thorough cleaning there'd be need for a proper defragmenting, too.

As I said, CCLeaner has proved to be a reliable tool and despite your Google search results it hasn't caused trouble lately, not in several years as I know of. I've seen some other similar products cause issues, though, so your findings are relevant. There used to be some issues with some HP printer software which CCleaner cleaned, but the software in question was inside a TEMP folder so it wasn't actually CCleaner doing a wrong thing. So download it and run the temporary files cleaner part. It might find something even after running the cleanmgr (which can do a perfect job with a bunch of parametres!) The default settings are quite good although I would add browser "autocomplete" and "saved form information" to be cleaned. Then you can move over to the registry cleaning section. Run it a couple of times, usually there won't be any findings after the third run, or there's a few which won't go away. Let them be, a few don't cause slowing down. CCleaner also has a tool for startup items which you'll find quite thorough. You can either disable or remove items from there, the latter can be useful for programs you know you have uninstalled but still are trying to start at every boot.

Of course test your computer between every step!

One last thing you might want to try is a repair install. You might be familiar with it from XP, but since Vista it has changed. What you'd need is the right installation media, in your case Windows 7 32 bit. You'd also need your Windows license code which usually is on the sticker on the side panel. First make sure your computer and the installation DVD are of same Service Pack level. That means, if your computer has SP1 installed but your DVD doesn't have it, you'd either have to uninstall SP1 or get another DVD. Now start the DVD from within Windows and do an "Upgrade" install. Thorough instructions here: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html.

Hope that helps! And just in case something goes badly wrong, you'd have your clone to continue as if nothing had happened... Actually, tweaking the clone and saving the original might be a good idea, three years is a long time for a hard disk anyway and some of your problems may be due to a slowly failing hdd.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2014, 02:14:19 PM »
Bizman thank you so very much for the thorough help guide. It will no doubt be useful to many others.

 :salute for being such a tech asset to the community!

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 08:51:37 PM »
Be aware that some versions of Ccleaner include adware (yes as ridiculous as it sounds) so keep a sharp eye during the installation, do not leave wrong options ticked.
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 11:08:59 PM »
I do back up to an ext HD. I've researched a number of ways to speed up QB and will give those a try. Still, I'm interested in overall ways to speed up the overall use experience.

So if the data's backed up then why isn't a clean install a practical solution?
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2014, 01:47:02 AM »
So if the data's backed up then why isn't a clean install a practical solution?

He probably has a gazillion programs, some of which may not have install media/keys available anymore, a gazillion settings nobody remembers how to repeat etc. Typical situation. Only a full image will save you in this situation and then nothing changes lol.
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2014, 04:58:02 AM »
Be aware that some versions of Ccleaner include adware (yes as ridiculous as it sounds) so keep a sharp eye during the installation, do not leave wrong options ticked.
I just installed the free version of CCleaner yesterday for my answer and yes, I had to uncheck the option to install Chrome and set it as my default browser. Google seems to have an aggressive campaign going on, the Chrome option pops up with many other free programs, too. Avast! is one I know about. The good thing is that Chrome can be uninstalled with ease. Not the kind of adware I'd worry about, unless you create a Google+ account and set it free for all.

IMO there's nothing strange in CCleaner advertising another program. After all it isn't a(n) ad-, spy-, grey- or any other malware cleaner although some people seem to think so. If offering Chrome is considered as spreading adware, then the Microsoft Browser Choice update should also be.

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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2014, 04:14:33 PM »
I just installed the free version of CCleaner yesterday for my answer and yes, I had to uncheck the option to install Chrome and set it as my default browser. Google seems to have an aggressive campaign going on, the Chrome option pops up with many other free programs, too. Avast! is one I know about. The good thing is that Chrome can be uninstalled with ease. Not the kind of adware I'd worry about, unless you create a Google+ account and set it free for all.

IMO there's nothing strange in CCleaner advertising another program. After all it isn't a(n) ad-, spy-, grey- or any other malware cleaner although some people seem to think so. If offering Chrome is considered as spreading adware, then the Microsoft Browser Choice update should also be.

There used to be an embedded adware also in CCleaner, I stopped using it at that point. Not much sense running something that claims to clean your system when it defaults to infecting your computer with adware.
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Re: Speeding up an older computer
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2014, 02:46:20 AM »
If you say so.

Again, although even many downloadsites advertise CCleaner as an ad- and spyware cleaner, it isn't. The same result in temporary files cleaning can be achieved with built-in Windows tools if you know how to do it. Plus of course deleting each browser's history. And Flash Player's history. And...

Then again, I've heard that the worst ad- and spyware you can install to your PC are Windows, Internet Explorer, Norton, McAfee...

I suppose the portable version doesn't install anything on your computer: https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds