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Offline Skull-1

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SB2C
« on: November 11, 2014, 03:16:19 PM »
Sonofab-tch Second Class.   Big-Tailed Beast.  'Nuff said.
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Offline bozon

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Re: SB2C
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 02:36:30 AM »
Pilots hated it and even wanted their rusty SDBs back... It will probably be better in the game than it was in real life though. Lots of these saw action in WWII and this is one plane that should be added (after the Beaufighter of course.. :) ). May not be the highest priority, but a solid request none the less.

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Re: SB2C
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 09:44:51 AM »
Quote from: Skull-1 on November 11, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Sonofab-tch Second Class.   Big-Tailed Beast.  'Nuff said.
Yep - It has a rough start though...  SDB's pilots hated them compared to their beloved Banshee ... it was a more stable platform to the Helldiver (according to the SDB pilots), had better slow speed handling for landing etc etc etc.. Had to have over 880 mods just to meet the Navy's requirements and it also had to be equipped with a new and more powerful engine with a 4 blade propeller with the R2600 Cyclone engine...  

Bit of a boondoggle aircraft unfortunately as by the time it came into service the F4U and the F6F could carry as much bombs as the Helldiver.  However post war several Allied countries found use for the bird well into the 1950's.  

It's a 300mph cruising speed dive bomber...that's pretty cool...as long as it's the SB2C-4 version. :x

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Re: SB2C
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 09:59:17 AM »
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 12:41:22 PM »
Despite its flaws.....as memory serves....it wound up sinking more shipping tonnage than any other airplane the Navy had.

I have always loved it.   Rough start, but became quite potent eventually.    I think it was the last warfighter Curtiss made...
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Re: SB2C
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 01:34:26 PM »
Years ago I met a crusty WW2 Vet who flew these birds. He also claimed (I want to believe him and have no reason not to) that he hit a Japanese carrier with a 500lb bomb.

He is the one who taught me the 'son of a squeak, second class' moniker.

I agree, it would get great use in-game. Better climb rate, no engine problems and 2x20mms gives it near the same firepower as the Dora. I bet it takes more damage than a Jug, or Hellcat.

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Re: SB2C
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 02:33:46 PM »
would probably be the most survivable dive bomber in game
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 08:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Skull-1 on November 12, 2014, 12:41:22 PM
Despite its flaws.....as memory serves....it wound up sinking more shipping tonnage than any other airplane the Navy had.

I have always loved it.   Rough start, but became quite potent eventually.    I think it was the last warfighter Curtiss made...

AFAIK, the Dauntless was second only to the submarine in terms of tonnage sunk.
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2014, 10:12:00 AM »
Quote from: Saxman on November 12, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
AFAIK, the Dauntless was second only to the submarine in terms of tonnage sunk.

I have read it in more than one place that the SB2C was number one in ship tonnage sunk.   It is an oft stated pat on the back for the airplane that, despite its flaws, it produced results.   I could be wrong...

http://warbirddepot.com/aircraft_attack_sb2c-cafwtw.asp
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2014, 12:48:53 PM »
Why did they even bother with a tail gunner? I mean, look at it - what can he shoot at except his own tail?



Tail gunners on anything other than a big fat level bombers were nothing more than ballast.
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2014, 03:34:54 PM »
Quote from: bozon on November 13, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Why did they even bother with a tail gunner? I mean, look at it - what can he shoot at except his own tail?

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Tail gunners on anything other than a big fat level bombers were nothing more than ballast.

Shoot a Zeke with that at dead six.  Poof.


CAF......ditch the tramp stamps.......please.   Geeze.

I like the old scheme it had with the yellow spinner.   The guy who flew it in the war visited Harlingen and sat in the cockpit.   Pretty cool....
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 05:52:54 PM »
Quote from: Skull-1 on November 13, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Shoot a Zeke with that at dead six.  Poof.
How would he do that? with one barrel shooting around the right side of the tail and the other around the left? and not too low of course because there are also the elevators in the way...
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2014, 06:42:21 AM »
Quote from: Skull-1 on November 13, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
I have read it in more than one place that the SB2C was number one in ship tonnage sunk.   It is an oft stated pat on the back for the airplane that, despite its flaws, it produced results.   I could be wrong...

http://warbirddepot.com/aircraft_attack_sb2c-cafwtw.asp

I've never seen anywhere that gives an actual tonnage figure for the Helldiver, whereas the Dauntless I see frequent citations of over 500,000 tons sunk.

The closest I come to a hard number for the Helldiver is a combined score of ~175,000 tons spread between VB-15 (SB2C) and VT-15 (TBM) from May - November 1944.
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Re: SB2C
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 07:19:43 AM »
Quote from: bozon on November 13, 2014, 05:52:54 PM
How would he do that? with one barrel shooting around the right side of the tail and the other around the left? and not too low of course because there are also the elevators in the way...


Saburo Sakai would have a good idea, were he alive to ask.

Someone in this thread says that Dauntless gunners were credited with 41.5 kills during the war, Helldiver tailgunners with 17, and TBF gunners with 44.7.  No idea where he got his figures.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/49399-usn-tailgunner-kills/

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