Time to Neuter the 109s

[Chalenge]

Is that the typical design in all the 109 linage or just that model in the video?

Every model of the 109 and 110 have the same flap design. The inside wheel is the 'elevator trim' which adjusts the incidence angle. If this is set incorrectly during landing or takeoff it will be an instant write-off.

[Chalenge]

The notion that the rudder has too much authority is also unsupported speculation.

Unsupported thus far, maybe. However, HiTech has flown the P-51 and other aircraft and should be aware of precisely how the rudders act near the stall. Therefore, he should also know they are wrong as they are now. I do not believe they are accurate and I do not believe that a pilot in a full stall trying to 'rudder monster' his nose into a gun solution could ever pull it off. It would be the miracle of all miracles.

All I am asking for is even more realism. Air combat in WWII was very, very hard and I would like to see it portrayed that way in AH.

[Ack-Ack]

Unsupported thus far, maybe. However, HiTech has flown the P-51 and other aircraft and should be aware of precisely how the rudders act near the stall. Therefore, he should also know they are wrong as they are now. I do not believe they are accurate and I do not believe that a pilot in a full stall trying to 'rudder monster' his nose into a gun solution could ever pull it off. It would be the miracle of all miracles.

All I am asking for is even more realism. Air combat in WWII was very, very hard and I would like to see it portrayed that way in AH.

You claim it is incorrect yet you provide nothing more than your 'gut feeling' it's wrong.  When asking for more realism to the flight model, it's a good idea to provide something to back it up.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Flap deployment time should be slowed down across the board for all planes. Silly full-flaps hover moves will only be possible if you start deploying the flaps 15-20 seconds in advance - and then take as long to retract them back and recover. 1-2 notches max (5-10 sec to deploy!) would still be useful in a fight, as it was in real life (still, was not common use). No one deployed full flaps in a fight.

What proof do you have that shows flap deployment speeds for all planes are incorrect?  The P-38 only took around 7-8 seconds to deploy full flaps and 2 seconds to deploy the dive flaps on the P-38L. 

[lyric1]

The real issue is the actual time required to deploy a useful amount of flaps. I don't see that posted anywhere.

Do you think that 15 clicks on a button is more realism?

Well as a trainer of AHII pick one of the 109's we have in game preferably the one in the flap video if we have it. Then with your background as a trainer in AHII what is that useful amount of flap needed for that model & what purpose. Then give us a flap angle setting & then we can go back to the video & time how long it takes to get to that approximate point in the video.
I don't think there would a huge difference in time in the video & the angle you have chosen. 
It should be a fair approximation though.

[Chalenge]

You claim it is incorrect yet you provide nothing more than your 'gut feeling' it's wrong.  When asking for more realism to the flight model, it's a good idea to provide something to back it up.

ack-ack

Incorrect. What I said is HiTech knows. In reality he is the only one that matters here. HiTech made the flight model and he knows exactly how far he can push it.

For the last two years I have been telling you why people are leaving AH. It's not the graphics. It's not the overall game. It is the fact that if someone has an idea that truly will make things more realistic, or more accurate, that person has to get it past a committee of people with their feet stuck in the mud. Meanwhile, the people that have seen little problems in the game are afraid to speak up on the BBS. Well, I'm not afraid.

If things remain as they are then AH will always have aspects of the game that can be pointed out as unrealistic. Well, that's fine if all you want is a constant furball below 3k and you want it to be as easy as possible. Well, I don't want it to be easy. I want to feel the air slipping away from my wingtips as I approach a stall. I want to hear it, too. We have enough airplanes, until this is sorted out. We have enough MGs and cannons. All we need are a few adjustments to remake the simulation into a more realistic environment and to push the criticisms back and this game will be good to advance into more aircraft and more combat reenactments.

If you resist changes that will make the game even better then you are part of the problem.

[Ack-Ack]

You had agreed with FLS that it was unsupported speculation on your part about the rudders being modeled incorrectly near or at stall speeds.  You don't even know for sure if there is a problem, as you stated its speculation on your part.  If you believe there is a problem, then provide some proof and give it to HTC.  If you've shown conclusively there is an error in the flight model, I'm sure it will be fixed.

[Chalenge]

Wrong, AKAK, I know there is a problem. I just didn't tell you how I know.

[Serenity]

Wrong, AKAK, I know there is a problem. I just didn't tell you how I know.

So why don't you tell us how you know, rather than playing this "I know something you don't, and I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" mystery game.

[bustr]

How many fighters in WW2 had insta-auto-retract of their flaps at some predetermined speed from a lookup table?

That video shows a possible gameness in our ACM with the 109. We have auto-retract flaps on our 109. Looks like in real life you had to remember to muscle them up or suffer the consequences.

Would a better interim approach to HiTech be, to ask for more realistic consequences per each plane's technology once you deploy your flaps?

Many average players have enough trouble learning how to purposely get their fighter slow enough during ACM to include lowering their flaps as a tactic. For many vets, it is the gold standard technique of our air show acrobatical gameness. Without insta-auto-retract in most fighters, it would be vets who would suffer the consequences more often of the deployment. Maybe even giving newer players more opportunities to cash in on them forgetting to raise flaps.

[Chalenge]

So why don't you tell us how you know, rather than playing this "I know something you don't, and I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" mystery game.

For the very reason that the gang-bang inquisition is yet another example of why customers are leaving. On the BBS there are plenty of people pointing at the HTC team and claiming they are to blame why ignoring their own involvement. This is one of them, and I already told you all you need to know.

[Ack-Ack]

Wrong, AKAK, I know there is a problem. I just didn't tell you how I know.

Let me guess, it's from flying your own P-51? 

ack-ack

[lyric1]

Let me guess, it's from flying your own P-51? 

ack-ack

You really want to go back to that 1 trick pony of yours AKAK?

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,329370.15.html

[The Fugitive]

For the very reason that the gang-bang inquisition is yet another example of why customers are leaving. On the BBS there are plenty of people pointing at the HTC team and claiming they are to blame why ignoring their own involvement. This is one of them, and I already told you all you need to know.

Basically your saying its wrong and the reason is because you say so. And then you wonder why there is an "gang-bang inquisition"?

I remember one time that Murdr was posting about a weight issue on the 38s. He posted his sources and I think it was 600 pounds that was ADDED to the G model.  grrrr  There was also a precedent with the Brewster I believe. Sources were listed and the change was made.

Now if your going to post a wiki link, or say "when I got a ride in this 109...." then no, you'll never see a change, but if you do have a good sources posting it here can only help your cause as it will get more people to move to your side and add that pressure to get it fixed.

But if your going to stick with the "because I said so!" line....... well good luck with that.

[FLS]

Well as a trainer of AHII pick one of the 109's we have in game preferably the one in the flap video if we have it. Then with your background as a trainer in AHII what is that useful amount of flap needed for that model & what purpose. Then give us a flap angle setting & then we can go back to the video & time how long it takes to get to that approximate point in the video.
I don't think there would a huge difference in time in the video & the angle you have chosen.  
It should be a fair approximation though.

My varied background tells me the guy in the video wasn't demonstrating typical air combat flaps deployment speed which limits his usefulness as a reference.

Wrong, AKAK, I know there is a problem. I just didn't tell you how I know.

I hope you understand why "not telling" is considered "not knowing".