Time to Neuter the 109s

[bozon]

When to fighting 109s in Aces High suddenly become too difficult?  Seems like an awful lot of energy being expended on a cartoon airplane that isn't über unless in the hands of an experienced cartoon 109 pilot. 

Seems to me this is a disguised complaint by a cartoon pilot who isn't killing cartoon 109s as easily as he believes he should in his cartoon airplane of choice.

The focus on the 109 is out of place. The video showed 109 flaps, but the general argument is relevant for many of the planes in AH roster.

[Debrody]

Looks like someone got killed by a 109.

[BBP]

I'm somewhat new around here. What is the BBS please?
Kimo

[BaldEagl]

I'm somewhat new around here. What is the BBS please?
Kimo

Bullitin Boards... the forums.

[Serenity]

All of those accounts are obvious bologna, predator. 109s are over modeled. End of discussion.

Holy Jesus Chalenge. Hop back on the short bus, you're not getting anywhere here.

[Pudgie]

Interesting discussion................... ..............

 

[715]

The focus on the 109 is out of place. The video showed 109 flaps, but the general argument is relevant for many of the planes in AH roster.

And that's why I asked if AH even models different actuation rates for different planes or just uses one single rate for all of them?  (Again I'll point out that videos clearly show the Spit flaps drop in less than a second.)

[FLS]

And that's why I asked if AH even models different actuation rates for different planes or just uses one single rate for all of them?  (Again I'll point out that videos clearly show the Spit flaps drop in less than a second.)

AFAIK each model has it's own rate. It's easy enough to time the flaps animation. The effect on trim in the flight model is also obvious in level flight if you turn off combat trim and auto pilot.

[DmonSlyr]

It is not over modeled.

It is slow (besides the K4) but still slow, cannot dive at all, anything over 450 you can't move controls which males it extremely difficult to hold and keeo E. And not using the gondies makes the ammo pretty weak. It gets caught up too easily in furballs and is hard to escape the main fight.

It is not a high alt plane, so P51s and 190ds can dive all over it and still be able to run away. Most planes can catch the G-14 and less 109s on the deck.  It is an easy plane to pick in the MA because it is not a BnZ style fighter and many players including myself give up E for a fight or a shot because we cannot extend like 190Ds or P51s can, which makes getting picked by others easy.

The views are difficult.

Just because it can kind of turn well and kind of perform decently in the MA does not mean it is over modeled.

It is really a moderate plane in the MA that does have great counterpunching abilities, which can make it deadly.

I actually think it is one of the more tougher groups of planes to learn and fly in the game because you have to be very skilled in defensive style evasives.

[PR3D4TOR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWQy4Zm-w

 

[PR3D4TOR]

Modern 109 pilot's opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b69pO7538sE

[bozon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWQy4Zm-w

 

That is actually an interesting and relevant vid to this thread.
At 4:55 the pilot starts cranking the flap wheel for landing. Looks like quite a lot of work and he does it in several stages (continues after a cut in the footage, so we probably do not see all of it).
At 6:09 while taxiing he starts cranking the flaps back up. He has to stop a few times in order to handle other things in the cockpit and goes back to cranking quite vigorously.

Very cool vid. Thanks for posting.

[FLS]

If I was flying a rare warbird I wouldn't be beating any records for flap deployment.

[Volron]

Modern 109 pilot's opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b69pO7538sE

Nose tells me that is a Spanish 109.

[Volron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWQy4Zm-w

 

Oh how I LOVE the sound that engine makes.  Especially on the fly by's.   I wish the 109 would make that sound when it flies over a field when I'm in a manned gun.