fix aircraft collision

[Karnak]

If somebody wants to wiggle back in forth in front of my Mossie's guns trying to find where I am in relation to him on my FE so as to collide with me on my FE instead of just shooting me, I'll happily explain to him the error of his ways with my four Hispanos.

If HiTech (in Fort Worth, TX) were trying to do that to Bruv (in the UK) and I (in Austin, TX) he would have two entirely different gaps to predict.  Unless you know where the other player is from you're guessing at how much latency there is.

[Randy1]

The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.

The majority of the players enjoy the simulation. 

Look at Lusches reply to my questions.  Thanks Lusche.

I keep thinking adding scoring to collisions might help.  Might add a bit of incentive to some to avoid collisions.

[Bino]

You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.

If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.

Chaser - with all due respect - as that line I use in my signature says, "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."   

[The Fugitive]

Dude I haven't had an account in a year as of this month. Lol

Then obviously your information may be a bit out of date 

Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.

.... and as I said it is possible, but you can't do it in a reliable fashion. Thats why I gave you a full day to do it. I doubt you could get it on film once in a day of flying.

My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.

Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.

I saved the film if anyone disputes...

I'd love to see the film. Often what one remembers from a "fight" is often far different from what really happened. I'm not saying you could have avoided him or anything but the circumstances of the collision may be a bit different than what you remember.

[Randy1]

Yesterday I had a P51 collide with my P-38 on the deck.  I think his closer speed was much higher than he thought.  He went down.  I went on without a scratch.  That was fare.  He made a mistake and paid for it.  I did not make a mistake so i went on.  I have done the same thing to slower flying planes and I have crashed.  My bad.

[chaser]

See Rule #4

[Arlo]

See Rule #4

[The Fugitive]

Hard to be out of date when the so called "perfect system" hasn't changed a bit in years don't you think?


I will say it again because apparently you'd rather keep jumping to conclusions rather than read my posts. I never said it could be done EVERY SINGLE TIME! Jesus freakin Christ, why can't yall understand that?

Obviously it's not the most efficient way to down bombers but it was funnier than hell to try to down bombers without ever firing a shot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But it is definitely doable.

Have I made myself clear yet because I don't think I can dumb it down for you any farther.

It's your wording, it is NOT doable, but it can happen. You can NOT say/do a pass on a buff and say with any certainty they "they" will get a collision and you will not. Your original post....

The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.

So it is NOT easily gamable, nor is the "whole system" BS just because you had it happen to you.

As for changes, nothing has changed in the internet with more and more fiber than there was a year ago, nor has the technology change in the past year with network hardware and software. There is more involved in this than just the game.

[chaser]

See rule #4

[Lusche]

The collision model is a compromise, the best one possible. It's a purey "what you see is what you geat", i.e. if you amage to avoid a collision, you wont get one.
Every other proposal that has ever come is much worse, it's either inconsistent in the results, or way, way more 'gameable' than the one we currently have.

- Collisions off means planes fly guns blazing through each other. This is particularly horrible for buffs
- "Both go down" means you can't realyl avoid collisions anymore, even as you avoid the enemy on your screen you still get a "collided". See the picture I posted earlier which depicts a typical "1- sided" collision.
- "collision only when both collide" makes collisions random and, unlike the current model, strats to give different overall results to players with different connections.

[RotBaron]

Then obviously your information may be a bit out of date 

.... and as I said it is possible, but you can't do it in a reliable fashion. Thats why I gave you a full day to do it. I doubt you could get it on film once in a day of flying.

I'd love to see the film. Often what one remembers from a "fight" is often far different from what really happened. I'm not saying you could have avoided him or anything but the circumstances of the collision may be a bit different than what you remember.

What is the best way to upload fim? I dont have photobucket etc.

[FLS]

I think I understand chaser's point. As an analogy, it's possible to win the lottery. You won't win it every time but it's a fun way to make money. Since winning the lottery means you don't have to work it proves that working is stupid and people that work are stupid. When you need money just win the lottery.  I hope I dumbed that down enough. 

[kvuo75]

Hard to be out of date when the so called "perfect system" hasn't changed a bit in years don't you think?

it's a perfect system because as people's connections get better and better, it automatically works better and better.. (more like your "both take damage" result)

[Arlo]

What is the best way to upload fim? I dont have photobucket etc.

AHFs may be added as an attachment in the film forum

[Drano]

it's a perfect system because as people's connections get better and better, it automatically works better and better.. (more like your "both take damage" result)

Exactly! But that won't work until there is a global, perfectly instantaneous internet for everyone everywhere. I see things creeping in that direction. I remember being on dialup not that godawful long ago and that sucked a lot more. That was pretty much everyone else's connection too. But we're all still light years away from that perfect internet place and that's if it's even achieveable. Eventually, if and when that happens, then yeah both would take damage. Theoretically everyone's FE would match up and it'd work. But until then it is what it is and this is the best that can be done. My connection on the East coast USA is going to be different than yours or someone in the UK's or one of the Aussies. Even people local to me have stuff happening to the infrastructure that hoses their connection relative mine--or vice versa. Big storm system somewhere in the central US? Kaboom! Things are all over the place. It amazes me how people just can't seem to factor this in in 2015. The internet isn't some new thing. All one would have to do is run ping plotter to a random IP address and watch the lag change in the hops from run to run.

Gotta love how a guy who admittedly isn't even a paying customer is allowed to come post to these forums that the game can be easily "hacked" like this. Now THAT'S something I'm sure can be fixed!