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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2015, 04:23:49 AM »
The body ultimately uses ATP (adenosine tri-phosphate) as its energy source.  ATP is used for almost all mechanical movement in the cells.  Creatine, which is really called creatine mono-phosphate, simply provides phosphate.  Studies have found that creatine mono-phosphate enhances performance for anaerobic exercises, such as weight lifting.
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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2015, 12:13:10 PM »

try mostly or 100% vegetarian diet if you are overweight, sure is going to help you eliminate toxins and  feel better psychophysically; I practice a light form of Yoga

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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 03:18:56 AM »
According to the writeup on it in Wikipedia (with lots of references -- so folks can skip the "Wikipedia is all wrong" comments), from recent studies it seems that taking creatine orally (say, 5 g per day or less) doesn't have any bad side effects as long as you don't have kidney or liver issues.  If so and if it seems to work for you, continuing on would seem reasonable.

One warning from http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814610016377 :

"possible organic contaminants in 33 samples of creatine supplements from the market. Creatinine resulted to be the major organic contaminant (44% of the samples over 100 mg/kg). About 15% of the samples had dihydro-1,3,5-triazine concentrations exceeding the detection limit of 4.5 mg/kg (maximum 8.0 mg/kg) and a dicyandiamide concentration over 50 mg/kg, while none of the samples were contaminated with thiourea. The heavy metals (arsenic, cadmium, mercury and lead) content was also assessed by means of inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry (ICP-MS). Only mercury was present in detectable amounts (at levels lower than 1 mg/kg)."

I.e., buy it from good sources.

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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 07:12:55 AM »
I too have been a sufferer of depression and recently been diagnosed as bi-polar.
Studies show having a target in life whether that be exercise or education or some other personal improvement definitely has an effect something like pharmaceutical mood elevators ,and the biggest effect like this is found in aerobic exercise such as running, football etc.

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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 12:31:18 PM »
Let me see if I can remember the diagnosis..I think it's something like severe manic depressive with psychotic features (I'm Bi-polar as well), and I agree with what most have said. However let me add, don't let the "mental illness" stigma stop you from seeing a doctor. I started seeing a shrink and therapist and it's helped me a metric ton, don't know how you feel about them but I take medications for mood swings, and depression and what have you. And I've been at suicides door several times in my life, just keep your chin up toejam gets better eventually.  :salute :cheers:

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2015, 03:34:24 PM »
sounds like you hit the good side of life.  IMO with continued effort you may find you dont need the drugs.  careful though, the mind is stubborn. IMO the past will not ever totally go away in your mind. Just remember the good times as a lesson if things go bad again.

P.S. I know a lot of educated people think a chemical imbalance is at play.  IMO this is only part of a complex story and truly believe a positive experience can go a long way.

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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
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Not for the faint of heart, to read & finish this book you'll have to confront all your demons and all the damage/crap that was done to you as a kid. There is fair amount of agreement in counseling that by about 12yrs old the average person has all damage done to reach the threshold of mental illness, pile some more carp on of the next 6yrs and don't get any therapy: mental illness...
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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2015, 05:37:41 PM »
Let me see if I can remember the diagnosis..I think it's something like severe manic depressive with psychotic features (I'm Bi-polar as well), and I agree with what most have said. However let me add, don't let the "mental illness" stigma stop you from seeing a doctor. I started seeing a shrink and therapist and it's helped me a metric ton, don't know how you feel about them but I take medications for mood swings, and depression and what have you. And I've been at suicides door several times in my life, just keep your chin up toejam gets better eventually.  :salute :cheers:

I have seen more than a couple of psychiatrists, but they have always pushed me towards anti-depressants.  there's always one who thinks the new and improved will work so far it hasnt.  I do take xanax for anxiety and panic attacks.  it works really well, but it is high addictive, so I am always careful.  I take it for a few months then stay away for another few, till it gets bad.

so far I havent taken xanax in almost a week i think.  and I havent had any panic attacks or really bad case of anxiety.  knock on wood :).


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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2015, 06:32:37 PM »
I have seen more than a couple of psychiatrists, but they have always pushed me towards anti-depressants.  there's always one who thinks the new and improved will work so far it hasnt.  I do take xanax for anxiety and panic attacks.  it works really well, but it is high addictive, so I am always careful.  I take it for a few months then stay away for another few, till it gets bad.

so far I havent taken xanax in almost a week i think.  and I havent had any panic attacks or really bad case of anxiety.  knock on wood :).


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Yeah semp, that seems to be the recurring theme with shrinks is throw pills at you until you're lobotomized for all intents and purposes. As someone who has to take Xanax all the time, DT'ing from Xanax sucks, I don't know how you went a week without feeling like crap. Glad you're doing better though.  :cheers:

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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2015, 08:54:28 PM »
i am not suicidal.  taking anti-depressants makes me think about it.  that's a side effect of it.  and I have never thought you have trolled me.  I do appreciate you stating your opinion on a lot of stuff even if I dont agree with it as hearing both sides it's helpful.  :salute.


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Actually there is some studies that suggest what you say is true

http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/03/28/creatine-for-depression-bipolar-disorder-5g-daily-supplementation/

Which leads me to my next statement. If you are having adverse effects to the antidepressants. You have been put on the wrong meds And quite possibly if not probably, you may be misdiagnosed.

I say this because over the last 20 years I've learned and am still learning more about mental illness then I ever wanted to know as my wife was misdiagnosed for almost 10 years. Her depression really turned out to be Bipolar disorder.

For almost 10 years she was diagnosed as having depression and took  tried an assortment of meds prescribed to her and the best her doc managed to come up with was something that basically made her like a zombie which led to a discussion I had with her doctor that was less then kind and me informing him that he was nothing more then a glorified pharmacist (Thats the the forum friendly version)

Eventually she tried a different doctor who diagnosed her as being bipolar and had her try different meds. The difference was like night and day. To the point where I used to joke that I sometimes wished she was on the zombie meds again. That was until a while back when she went completely manic. But while thats another story that is still working itself out. It does lead to my next statement.

While you have LOW lows. Do you also find you have HIGH highs? Times when you feel you are just doing (blanking) great!! Even though the circumstances around you might dictate that you should feel otherwise or you find yourself doing, or find yourself in hindsight wanting to do things that rationally are counter productive But you feel great about them at the moment? What I call a "Hold my beer and watch this" moments. only without the beer or jumping off a rooftop into a kiddie pool.

Do you find that you can go from one, low to high in varying degrees and back again for apparently no reason?
Remember. being too high can be just as bad as depression. And often just as detrimental. Particularly when it comes to family and relationships

I am not a doctor but it might be worth looking into or suggesting to your doctor. One thing is for certain. If your antidepressants are giving you suicidal thoughts. You are on the wrong, or wrong type of medication.

I am going to state something my wife likes to say about her condition that you may relate to.

"I sometimes wish I had a broken arm with the bone sticking out so I could have something to point to to show people whats wrong."

A lot of people not directly involved (spouse, children, immediate family) dont understand mental illness particularly with the depression end of it. For them its not real. Its easy to say "just pull yourself out of it." But they dont understand that those with it. Want to. But cant.
Equally they dont understand the manic end of it either as to all outward appearances the person is feeling or doing GREAT. And hey thery arent depressed so that in itself is a bonus. Not realizing that even for a normal non depressed person nobody is ever supposed to be doing that GREAT unless they won the lottery or just witnessed their first borne or something. Unfortunately. Outsiders even friends unfamiliar and/ inexperienced with dealing with the situation can unwittingly do more harm then good particularly during manic phases where they can become enablers.

Anyway. it is too easy for me to run off on this subject here. Like I said. Ive been forced to learn more then I ever wanted to know and I have already deviated significantly from my original point.
Have yourself checked out by another doctor. And another and another if thats what it takes till you find one that finally gets you right.
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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2015, 09:07:46 PM »
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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2015, 11:13:17 PM »
Lol

ppl, you know why Psychiatrists push meds; 'cause dealing with the carp is painful and tough work and almost nobody wants to do it; even when the work is done sometimes a disease state will still remain too. So why not just take a pill, that way nobody has to feel, no one has to read a book and no one has relive painful past events (grieving losses that were never done).


You really want your psychiatrist to stop pushing meds on you; tell them you REALLY want to get better and you don't want to take meds, you'll get their attention.

Anxiety...what are you scared of, what is going to happen, so what if it happens? A panic attack? What you might faint, so what if you faint? So what, you know it's harmless if you've dealt with them this long, you know they can't hurt you so WHY still having them?



Drediock: misdiagnosing bi-polar when there were clear signs of mania is malpractice.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2015, 11:34:01 PM »
Get a new less stress full job/meaning full job. and go back to smoking the weed.



Might even consider being a pot farmer, get paid to help other's mayhaps with your same afflictions.



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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2015, 07:47:35 AM »
Lol

ppl, you know why Psychiatrists push meds; 'cause dealing with the carp is painful and tough work and almost nobody wants to do it; even when the work is done sometimes a disease state will still remain too. So why not just take a pill, that way nobody has to feel, no one has to read a book and no one has relive painful past events (grieving losses that were never done).


You really want your psychiatrist to stop pushing meds on you; tell them you REALLY want to get better and you don't want to take meds, you'll get their attention.

Anxiety...what are you scared of, what is going to happen, so what if it happens? A panic attack? What you might faint, so what if you faint? So what, you know it's harmless if you've dealt with them this long, you know they can't hurt you so WHY still having them?



Drediock: misdiagnosing bi-polar when there were clear signs of mania is malpractice.

The mania wasn't prevalent. The curled up in a fetal position for months at a time and nearly constant panic attacks was. Episodes of each can last anywhere from minutes to days to weeks to months to years.

Anxiety...depression. Exactly the type of comment my wife hates. She knows all that. People suffering from it know that. the problem is. Knowing all that and still not being about to rid yourself of it. Its constant and doesnt respond to logic or reason.

Envision this. Your wife/child/parent has a life threatening injury and needs surgery to save his or her life. But the surgery itself is extremely dangerous and the chances of surviving that alone is slim. You are waiting in the waiting room. Obviously you feel a great deal of anxiety waiting to hear the outcome.

Now imagine that feeling just never going away despite the outcome being better then great. It just stays and gnaws at you day in and day out. You cant shake it no matter how hard you try or how badly you want to or no matter how many great things are going on that you shouldn't feel that way.

I hope nobody is feeling like I am talking down to them with those examples. But those that dont know what its like to deal with such things. Well. they just dont know what its like to deal with such things. So I tried to put the examples in a way that most people can relate to

And it isnt always just therapy that is needed. Often it is quite literally a chemical imbalance in the brain. This is often what meds are prescribed for to correct.
 
Its like when you drink or get high. the alcohol or drugs cause the brain to emit certain chemicals that give you the feeling of being drunk or high. Eventually the stimulus works its way through your body and the brain returns to normal and you arent drunk or high anymore
In the case of mental illness. The brain is doing these things all by itself and doesnt know when to shut off.

 Drugs and alcohol can certainly contribute to episodes and can even be a triggering mechanism for episodes. It is one of the many reasons why people on meds shouldnt drink...PERIOD.  In the case of mood stabilizers. Alcohol consumption can actually neutralize the effects of meds and cause one to go in one direction or the other.

There is a really good saying that goes. "Life isnt about being happy. Its about knowing what time it is"
When you are waiting for test results. or your child is sick is it time to be anxious or happy, angry, or sad? Its time to be anxious
When your child is born healthy is it time to be sad, anxious,angry or happy? Its time to be happy
When a loved one dies. Is it time to be happy, anxious, angry or sad? Its time to be sad
When your best friend rips you off. Is it time to be happy, anxious,sad or angry. Its time to be angry

All of these things are part of  the ebbs and flows of a normal life. We are never always happy. Nor never always angry, anxious, or sad.
But theree are times when we will feel all of those things. and in most normal lives they are time appropriate.

With mental illness. The subconscious brain doesn't know what time it is
 
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Re: depression and creatine
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 12:48:49 PM »
Nice post Dred.  :aok

Strength training will not cure anything except weakness but it does tend to help everybody feel better.

Here's a quick guide to Rippetoe's program.

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-routines/4-week-guide-starting-strength