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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #225 on: February 25, 2015, 08:45:41 PM »
80% of what I do is bombers in this game and take it very seriously. Everything else has been for squad ops or resupping. I'm a team player unlike some of you who do it for personal glory. Is it that hard to believe there are people who play this game for something other than what attracts you to it? Like many of you my grandfather was in WW2. He piloted B25's in Burma. I grew up with the stories and have been fascinated with WW2 bombers my whole life and it's all I desire to master in this game.

To put this all to rest I'll stay off YOUR forums and keep it in the game :) no need to waste energy on me fellas I'm sure your good people in Real life. Just make sure your dropping down on me if you see Black Rook 17's, angry bird 24's, or Green B29's... it's my only weakness. Otherwise you will likely have wasted precious time of your life  :salute
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #226 on: February 25, 2015, 08:59:51 PM »
80% of what I do is bombers in this game and take it very seriously. Everything else has been for squad ops or resupping. I'm a team player unlike some of you who do it for personal glory.

I would stop trying to psycho analyze people, you're really bad at it (just like constructing your arguments or anything meaningful to say).

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #227 on: February 25, 2015, 09:03:04 PM »
I would stop trying to psycho analyze people, you're really bad at it (just like constructing your arguments or anything meaningful to say).
Your right, don't have years of practice at it like you  :cheers:
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #228 on: February 26, 2015, 08:31:15 PM »
Have the HQ act the same as a sunk Cv when destroyed, back full up in 10 min.

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #229 on: February 26, 2015, 10:30:09 PM »
Really, care to explain then why I went to an enemy field last week and circled it for 20 minutes without seeing a single plane? The most action I got was an 88 that started shooting at me so I dropped both 88s and never saw anything. And no, I wasn't circling at 20k. After dropping the 88s I was down around 5k.

What you are lamenting is not related to hq being down but rather another symptom of players not being willing or observant enough to check out why a field is flashing.

Next time, bring bombs to hit town and start deacking it.

You will get the response you seek.
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #230 on: February 27, 2015, 05:15:22 AM »


Next time, bring bombs to hit town and start deacking it.

You will get the response you seek.

Not during off peak times.
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #231 on: February 27, 2015, 08:53:41 AM »
"Defend the HQ" blah, blah, blah.

Just a few minutes ago, There were multiple Bishies inbound to a Nit base.  I upped a fighter and started to climb out to intercept, but then remembered seeing the red arrow of an off-mapper during the previous sortie.  The arrow was now directly under the HQ grid.  A decision had to be made:  engage the inbound enemies and likely lose the HQ, or bail out and defend the HQ.  I bailed out.

Fired up a 163 and climbed out after the bugger.  The ammo strat, which is south of the HQ, began to flash.  It seemed like he was loitering in the southern grid because the ammo strat was at 100% for longer than it should have been.  He was probably waiting me out, running me out of gas so he could waltz in, unopposed.  After a few minutes, it appeared the invader diverted to the ammo strat, probably from seeing the darbar my fighter provided.  Proceeding south, I caught his Lancasters and closed to about 4k and - surprise - he bailed from all three.

So, instead of enjoying the possible fight at the base, I bailed to protect the HQ.  The HQ bomber got scared and bombed the ammo strat instead and then bailed out to avoid a fight.  The HQ was successfully defended, only because the enemy wussed out.  A big waste of time.  Logged out in disgust.

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #232 on: February 27, 2015, 10:08:58 AM »
It's not any one country that does this.
Couple nights ago I noticed our city and HQ were flashing, no dar bar showing, so I figured it was an NOE raid.  Upped from nearest base and got the the city and HQ to find......nothing.  Dar bar flashed up once, so I figured the enemy was making his move and going for alt before dropping.  I circled between the HQ and city looking for the cons, never saw anything at all.  Meanwhile, other guys had upped fighters and grabbed altitude..........and found the enemy plane(s) at 30K. 
So.........defend your strats, that comment I do understand.  But when the map is glitchy or buggy and you have no real indicator of where to look, no one can say you didn't try to defend your strats.  My thoughts are that some folks know what maps are buggy and are gaming the game as it were.  They don't seek combat, they don't want a challenge, if they can find a loophole in the game, they will exploit it.  One player put it this way, to paraphrase:  If he might get intercepted, he won't even try.  Mind you, he is the best bomber pilot the game has ever seen, stats otherwise, and he never attacks an HQ above 10K(even tho I have film of him and others at alts of 22-32K).............
And last night, I noticed an enemy dot passing through the edge of a dar circle, headed towards our strats.  I upped a P-38 and climbed on an intercept course, hoping to at least ID the cons and get an ID from film if I could get close enough. 
I found the con, B-17's, at about 17K, heading east towards our strats.  I positioned myself up sun from him and slowly closed in.  As I got into position for an attack, I rolled over to split-S down on him...........only to see three B-17 hulks falling to earth.  He bailed when I got close.
To each his own.  Some players crave combat, they love the challenge.  Others appear to do anything possible to avoid combat. 
I was discussing last night with some squaddies how much I missed Mathman's HQ/strat raids.  He would get on the open channel so everyone in the arena could see, "Hello despised enemies" or something very like it, and let everyone know a raid was coming.  You could watch the dar bar, normally a huge one, form in the back area of the country he was flying with, and watch it's progress.
A lot of us would continue doing what we were doing, but we watched the raid head our way.
Then, you would see a lot of friendlies start taking off to intercept Mathman and his raid.  He always had escorts, always had a ton of buffs in the raid, and..........it was always fun, for everyone.  The point of his raids were to encourage combat.
Sometime, somehow, since I joined AH back in 1999-2000, the game changed.........now it appears to me that some players place a higher value on being able to avoid combat rather than testing their mettle actually fighting, which is what the game used to be about.
Anyway, rant mode over, carry on..................... :salute

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #233 on: February 27, 2015, 10:41:33 AM »
I film every sortie so at the very least I can save it and ID the wuss.
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #234 on: February 27, 2015, 04:31:18 PM »
It's not any one country that does this.
Couple nights ago I noticed our city and HQ were flashing, no dar bar showing, so I figured it was an NOE raid.  Upped from nearest base and got the the city and HQ to find......nothing.  Dar bar flashed up once, so I figured the enemy was making his move and going for alt before dropping.  I circled between the HQ and city looking for the cons, never saw anything at all.  Meanwhile, other guys had upped fighters and grabbed altitude..........and found the enemy plane(s) at 30K. 
So.........defend your strats, that comment I do understand.  But when the map is glitchy or buggy and you have no real indicator of where to look, no one can say you didn't try to defend your strats.  My thoughts are that some folks know what maps are buggy and are gaming the game as it were.  They don't seek combat, they don't want a challenge, if they can find a loophole in the game, they will exploit it.  One player put it this way, to paraphrase:  If he might get intercepted, he won't even try.  Mind you, he is the best bomber pilot the game has ever seen, stats otherwise, and he never attacks an HQ above 10K(even tho I have film of him and others at alts of 22-32K).............
And last night, I noticed an enemy dot passing through the edge of a dar circle, headed towards our strats.  I upped a P-38 and climbed on an intercept course, hoping to at least ID the cons and get an ID from film if I could get close enough. 
I found the con, B-17's, at about 17K, heading east towards our strats.  I positioned myself up sun from him and slowly closed in.  As I got into position for an attack, I rolled over to split-S down on him...........only to see three B-17 hulks falling to earth.  He bailed when I got close.
To each his own.  Some players crave combat, they love the challenge.  Others appear to do anything possible to avoid combat. 
I was discussing last night with some squaddies how much I missed Mathman's HQ/strat raids.  He would get on the open channel so everyone in the arena could see, "Hello despised enemies" or something very like it, and let everyone know a raid was coming.  You could watch the dar bar, normally a huge one, form in the back area of the country he was flying with, and watch it's progress.
A lot of us would continue doing what we were doing, but we watched the raid head our way.
Then, you would see a lot of friendlies start taking off to intercept Mathman and his raid.  He always had escorts, always had a ton of buffs in the raid, and..........it was always fun, for everyone.  The point of his raids were to encourage combat.
Sometime, somehow, since I joined AH back in 1999-2000, the game changed.........now it appears to me that some players place a higher value on being able to avoid combat rather than testing their mettle actually fighting, which is what the game used to be about.
Anyway, rant mode over, carry on..................... :salute

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #235 on: February 27, 2015, 05:31:23 PM »
Bailing from bombers is a big no, trying to avoind being intercepted -yes. if u run into a good fighter stick it can be a waste of 1½+ hours of flight so its a good idea to make sure u atleast can get the bombs out before being intercepted. After that it doesnt matter, then it just fun to use the guns and if u dont survive its no big deal.

Having HQ downtime to 10 min isnt a bad idea, imo the point with killing HQ is that u can launch a big raid w/o being piced up on radar but noone use the opportunity to do that so killing HQ is pointless today. With a 10 min downtime it might be a feature used more often to capture bases instead of now to just make the other team pissed.
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #236 on: February 27, 2015, 06:05:34 PM »
It's not any one country that does this.
Couple nights ago I noticed our city and HQ were flashing, no dar bar showing, so I figured it was an NOE raid.  Upped from nearest base and got the the city and HQ to find......nothing.  Dar bar flashed up once, so I figured the enemy was making his move and going for alt before dropping.  I circled between the HQ and city looking for the cons, never saw anything at all.  Meanwhile, other guys had upped fighters and grabbed altitude..........and found the enemy plane(s) at 30K. 
So.........defend your strats, that comment I do understand.  But when the map is glitchy or buggy and you have no real indicator of where to look, no one can say you didn't try to defend your strats.  My thoughts are that some folks know what maps are buggy and are gaming the game as it were.  They don't seek combat, they don't want a challenge, if they can find a loophole in the game, they will exploit it.  One player put it this way, to paraphrase:  If he might get intercepted, he won't even try.  Mind you, he is the best bomber pilot the game has ever seen, stats otherwise, and he never attacks an HQ above 10K(even tho I have film of him and others at alts of 22-32K).............
And last night, I noticed an enemy dot passing through the edge of a dar circle, headed towards our strats.  I upped a P-38 and climbed on an intercept course, hoping to at least ID the cons and get an ID from film if I could get close enough. 
I found the con, B-17's, at about 17K, heading east towards our strats.  I positioned myself up sun from him and slowly closed in.  As I got into position for an attack, I rolled over to split-S down on him...........only to see three B-17 hulks falling to earth.  He bailed when I got close.
To each his own.  Some players crave combat, they love the challenge.  Others appear to do anything possible to avoid combat. 
I was discussing last night with some squaddies how much I missed Mathman's HQ/strat raids.  He would get on the open channel so everyone in the arena could see, "Hello despised enemies" or something very like it, and let everyone know a raid was coming.  You could watch the dar bar, normally a huge one, form in the back area of the country he was flying with, and watch it's progress.
A lot of us would continue doing what we were doing, but we watched the raid head our way.
Then, you would see a lot of friendlies start taking off to intercept Mathman and his raid.  He always had escorts, always had a ton of buffs in the raid, and..........it was always fun, for everyone.  The point of his raids were to encourage combat.
Sometime, somehow, since I joined AH back in 1999-2000, the game changed.........now it appears to me that some players place a higher value on being able to avoid combat rather than testing their mettle actually fighting, which is what the game used to be about.
Anyway, rant mode over, carry on..................... :salute
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1. Never said I'm the best cause I'm not. I am one of the best.

2. I will not fly 1-2 hours to an HQ if it is high risk. You loose 1 bomber and you just wasted all that time. I enjoy a fight as much as the next guy especially when I'm in buffs because the challenge is where it's at.

3. I agree there is some chicken poop players in the game who exploit bugs but I'm not one of them. Never have never will.

4. HQ and strats are 2 different things. When you hear someone say defend your strats they mean defend your city and your factories. If your city gets dropped below 50% expect HQ runners. It's not worth dropping if you can resupply an HQ in 20 minutes.

What's great about some of you folks is watching you make fools out of yourselves like this guy. It's a mindset of don't confuse me with the facts I have my own opinion. We can all agree the current HQ system is a problem but that's not going to change.

Don't get it twisted I'm always looking to rack up kills in buffs :cheers:
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #237 on: February 27, 2015, 06:11:10 PM »
It's not any one country that does this.
Couple nights ago I noticed our city and HQ were flashing, no dar bar showing, so I figured it was an NOE raid.  Upped from nearest base and got the the city and HQ to find......nothing.  Dar bar flashed up once, so I figured the enemy was making his move and going for alt before dropping.  I circled between the HQ and city looking for the cons, never saw anything at all.  Meanwhile, other guys had upped fighters and grabbed altitude..........and found the enemy plane(s) at 30K. 
So.........defend your strats, that comment I do understand.  But when the map is glitchy or buggy and you have no real indicator of where to look, no one can say you didn't try to defend your strats.  My thoughts are that some folks know what maps are buggy and are gaming the game as it were.  They don't seek combat, they don't want a challenge, if they can find a loophole in the game, they will exploit it.  One player put it this way, to paraphrase:  If he might get intercepted, he won't even try.  Mind you, he is the best bomber pilot the game has ever seen, stats otherwise, and he never attacks an HQ above 10K(even tho I have film of him and others at alts of 22-32K).............
And last night, I noticed an enemy dot passing through the edge of a dar circle, headed towards our strats.  I upped a P-38 and climbed on an intercept course, hoping to at least ID the cons and get an ID from film if I could get close enough. 
I found the con, B-17's, at about 17K, heading east towards our strats.  I positioned myself up sun from him and slowly closed in.  As I got into position for an attack, I rolled over to split-S down on him...........only to see three B-17 hulks falling to earth.  He bailed when I got close.
To each his own.  Some players crave combat, they love the challenge.  Others appear to do anything possible to avoid combat. 
I was discussing last night with some squaddies how much I missed Mathman's HQ/strat raids.  He would get on the open channel so everyone in the arena could see, "Hello despised enemies" or something very like it, and let everyone know a raid was coming.  You could watch the dar bar, normally a huge one, form in the back area of the country he was flying with, and watch it's progress.
A lot of us would continue doing what we were doing, but we watched the raid head our way.
Then, you would see a lot of friendlies start taking off to intercept Mathman and his raid.  He always had escorts, always had a ton of buffs in the raid, and..........it was always fun, for everyone.  The point of his raids were to encourage combat.
Sometime, somehow, since I joined AH back in 1999-2000, the game changed.........now it appears to me that some players place a higher value on being able to avoid combat rather than testing their mettle actually fighting, which is what the game used to be about.
Anyway, rant mode over, carry on..................... :salute

Good post Eddie  :salute :cheers:
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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #238 on: February 27, 2015, 06:15:11 PM »
:rofl

1. Never said I'm the best cause I'm not. I am one of the best.

2. I will not fly 1-2 hours to an HQ if it is high risk. You loose 1 bomber and you just wasted all that time. I enjoy a fight as much as the next guy especially when I'm in buffs because the challenge is where it's at.

3. I agree there is some chicken poop players in the game who exploit bugs but I'm not one of them. Never have never will.

4. HQ and strats are 2 different things. When you hear someone say defend your strats they mean defend your city and your factories. If your city gets dropped below 50% expect HQ runners. It's not worth dropping if you can resupply an HQ in 20 minutes.

What's great about some of you folks is watching you make fools out of yourselves like this guy. It's a mindset of don't confuse me with the facts I have my own opinion. We can all agree the current HQ system is a problem but that's not going to change.

Don't get it twisted I'm always looking to rack up kills in buffs :cheers:

Your name was never mentioned in eddiek's post, you just saw a few key words and were so eager to open your mouth that you assumed he was talking about you.

His statement was generally addressed to the community as a whole on the issues plaguing the current game, with the exception of addressing the best bomber pilot in the game, which I hate to break it to you (not really) it's not you.

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Re: Beating a dead horse ?
« Reply #239 on: February 27, 2015, 06:35:40 PM »
Your name was never mentioned in eddiek's post, you just saw a few key words and were so eager to open your mouth that you assumed he was talking about you.

His statement was generally addressed to the community as a whole on the issues plaguing the current game, with the exception of addressing the best bomber pilot in the game, which I hate to break it to you (not really) it's not you.


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