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The solutrean hypothesis
« on: February 15, 2015, 04:17:37 AM »
Clovis first theory or solutrean hypothesis?

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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 07:49:19 AM »
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 08:49:02 AM »
I'm going with Bering Sea land bridge
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 12:27:36 PM »
Clovis first theory or solutrean hypothesis?

Discuss.

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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 04:44:28 PM »
Most-recent DNA testing of Kennewick Man will soon be done.  That will be interesting to see.



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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 04:48:31 PM »
 :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead HUH???? :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2015, 05:03:15 PM »
:bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead HUH???? :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead

Type "solutrean hypothesis" into Google.

Press "Enter" key.

Click on 1st search result.

Read 1st sentence.

This way, through the expediture of about 15 seconds, you won't have to bang your head on the wall.  :aok


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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2015, 05:15:28 PM »
Let's take the train to Australia.
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2015, 05:26:23 PM »
Type "solutrean hypothesis" into Google.

Press "Enter" key.

Click on 1st search result.

Read 1st sentence.

This way, through the expediture of about 15 seconds, you won't have to bang your head on the wall.  :aok

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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 05:44:35 PM »
In 1973 I helped on a Western Maryland dig of a supposed 7000 year old indian camp site with the UM Archeology Dept.. The stone tools we pulled out of the ground did not match what was expected for the Paleo-Indian period. Below are two pictures. The first being clovis points and to a degree what would have influenced the locals. Then the second are Solutrean from Europe. I pulled a duplicate to the lower long leaf shaped point out of the ground and was told not to talk about it. I never saw any documentation of that 9 inch point in the subsequent papers released about the dig.



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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 06:22:51 PM »
In 1973 I helped on a Western Maryland dig of a supposed 7000 year old indian camp site with the UM Archeology Dept.. The stone tools we pulled out of the ground did not match what was expected for the Paleo-Indian period. Below are two pictures. The first being clovis points and to a degree what would have influenced the locals. Then the second are Solutrean from Europe. I pulled a duplicate to the lower long leaf shaped point out of the ground and was told not to talk about it. I never saw any documentation of that 9 inch point in the subsequent papers released about the dig.

Awesome!  We have someone here with personal experience and expertise!  :aok

I'm suspicious of some of the criticisms of the Solutrean Hypothesis because they are based on using fallacies as an argument technique, and thus are lame arguments.  Someone finds a non-Clovis spear point.  The criticism then isn't of the form "Well, it looks non-Clovis, but it actually is Clovis because of X."  The criticism is of the form, "That's not mainstream, and so I don't believe it" (of course, it could still be true), "I refute your suggestion because I can't think of a way for people to get from Europe to North America back then" (of course, that doesn't mean there wasn't a way -- even some that aren't that hard to think of but are ignored by the critic), "They didn't influence the Clovis culture" (of course Clovis culture people could have come in from Siberia and wiped out the earlier Solutreans), etc.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2015, 06:39:30 PM »
One of the stark arguments for solutrean influence has to do with deep water dredging off Virginia and the Maryland Eastern shore where mammoth bones and teeth have been pulled up with solutrean influenced points and tools. At the time of the solutreans that area of ocean was exposed and mammoths roamed the dry land. Funny how Ice Ages lower sea levels. So the Atlantic from both ends would have been a bit shorter due to the larger dry land mass at both sides of the Atlantic.
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 03:04:18 AM »
I've read that analysis of the solutrean laurel leaf blade dredged up with the 22,000 year old mammoth bones indicates that it was made from stone in France. If that turns out to be true that's kind of a cincher. I'm not sure why it's so hard to believe that people came to the americas from more than one direction when you consider that stone age man was able to populate every part of the planet. There are human settlement sites in Chile that date 14,000 years ago. In Snowmass Colorado there is some tenuous evidence of human activity 40,000 years ago. There are multiple examples of human settlements in the americas that predate any clovis tools ever found.


One thing that bothers me is that the media hears of the solutrean hypothesis and in their mind that becomes "Europeans Came to America First!" and they run with it. What people don't realize is that twenty thousand years ago Europe had not been invented yet. Once you accept that europe and asia are not two seperate places, then really it just becomes a question of, when stone age man came to america did they only travel in one direction?


And then there's the genetic testing. I don't understand what they think this will prove. For one thing it relies on modern genetic distribution as a basis of comparison, and it's dependent on the presumption that the genes of the caveman being tested survived and were passed on to living populations. And on top of all this, the current thinking is that humans in eurasia didn't begin to diversify genetically untill about 20,000 years ago.
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Re: The solutrean hypothesis
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 05:09:19 AM »
Most American Indians have tales of white giants who they fought with that were cannibalistic. Recently a judge ruled that the Smithsonian had to release freedom of information requests about destruction of thousands of skeletons from all over the U.S. from burial sights that pre dated the local Indians. On average the skeletons were of humans 7-12 feet tall. The reason the judge ruled on this, is the grandson of a Smithsonian employee, who took a femur home to preserve it, walked into that judges court with it as proof. The femur was from a 9ft tall man.

Documentation exists since the 1600's describing the burial sights and bones. George Washington and Lincoln made references to them along with numerous other reliable persons through out American history. After the Smithsonian was created, the guiding group believed in Darwinism and that man came over the Alaska land bridge. So most skeletons found were either sent to Washington or requested sent to the Smithsonian by Washington. Then destroyed. Some speculated the Smithsonian was worried the giants represented proof of Nephilim and wanted to cover that up.

If they had not destroyed the skeletons on a regular basis, the old Smithsonian building would be filled with skeletons of giant people today recovered from all over the US.
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