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AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« on: February 15, 2015, 05:54:31 PM »
Hi All,

I was thinking bout getting 1 of these vid cards to test it w/ AH just to see what it would do.

After looking at all the Radeon offers I like the XFX style Double Dissipation cooler design the best.

Looking at this 1:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150696

I like the 512 bit mem bus that this card has...........

Getting the itch to buy something & I want to check out this Radeon as the last 1 I tried (Diamond Radeon HD3870...bought back in 2004-2005) didn't pan out so good........................

XFX has a good reputation & good warranty record so if I buy it will be from them. Wanna check out an AMD Radeon vid card......................... ...

Anybody using 1 of these please speak up as I'm curious as to what your assessment is........................

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 07:20:14 PM »
This one is 10 bucks cheaper and had a higher core clock....(1050mhz vs 1000 mhz) everything else is the same as far as i can tell .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 08:05:24 PM »
Pudgie, if you are going to go with the XFX version, I seriously would pick the one 38ruk, linked to.......

I am using 3 XFX AMD/ATI cards on 3 different machines, but bout 2 generations older than the current, yet I have seen no problems from any......

I am happy for what I haven chosen for at least 4 to 5 yrs.....


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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 12:24:19 PM »
I just noticed in your Sig that you currently have a 780 Ti correct?  If so then  it's prolly not going to be an upgrade at all more of a side- down grade unless you are running games that can benefit from the 4GB of vc ram that the 290x has (vs 3gb 780ti) And even then you wouldnt notice unless your running really hi resolutions .   

I have a 280x 3Gb and i run aces with full detail with high res pack ...only thing i have turned off is environment mapping ...and rarely see it drop off its 144hrz frame rate cap.  In comparison your 780 ti is a much faster card than mine .  Just google 290x vs 780ti and you will see that the 780 comes out on top if only by a few frames here or there in most benchmarks .   

Just my opinion but you might want to wait and see what the 300 series amd cards look like when they come out next quarter .

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 07:02:21 PM »
This one is 10 bucks cheaper and had a higher core clock....(1050mhz vs 1000 mhz) everything else is the same as far as i can tell .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700

Oh heck, that's the 1 I was looking at.....how did I pick the 1 I picked?
That's what I get for not paying attention................... :D

I just noticed in your Sig that you currently have a 780 Ti correct?  If so then  it's prolly not going to be an upgrade at all more of a side- down grade unless you are running games that can benefit from the 4GB of vc ram that the 290x has (vs 3gb 780ti) And even then you wouldnt notice unless your running really hi resolutions .   

I have a 280x 3Gb and i run aces with full detail with high res pack ...only thing i have turned off is environment mapping ...and rarely see it drop off its 144hrz frame rate cap.  In comparison your 780 ti is a much faster card than mine .  Just google 290x vs 780ti and you will see that the 780 comes out on top if only by a few frames here or there in most benchmarks .   

Just my opinion but you might want to wait and see what the 300 series amd cards look like when they come out next quarter .

38ruk,

I appreciate your post. Yes I'm currently running an EVGA GTX 780Ti reference vid card as noted in my sig & am very happy w/ it. I just want to test a Radeon card on my box to see how it will run & it doesn't make sense to get a Radeon that is known to be clearly inferior to my 780ti....that is why I'm wanting to test run a R9 290X as it is the closest Radeon to this 780Ti that I'm running w/o going to a dual-GPU card (I also check out the reviews & ratings as well) & of all the Radeon manuf's I like the XFX DD design & I will be running this Radeon just as I'm currently running my 780Ti setting for setting to get as fair of a comparison as I can.....which will include EM as I use it w/ my 780Ti currently.

Not to mention that the price is pretty cheap so this is a good time to run a test......................... .. :D

The main feature that I'm interested in that the R9 290X has over the 780Ti is the Radeon's 512-bit mem bus vs the 780Ti's 384-bit mem bus & how this feature will impact the performance between the 2. There's a reason why Nvidia sped up the mem speed & fully enabled the GK110's on the 780Ti over what the Titan/780 originally came out with.................

The main reason why I posted this here is to see if there was anyone actually using 1 of these vid cards w/ AH to get their insight on what their experience has been w/ it.

I also want to see for myself how the Radeons have fared since AMD bought ATI......the only way to do that objectively is to buy 1, install it & find out.............just as I had done w/ the 780Ti......................

Appreciate the post though!

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P.S.--I am also looking at getting an Asus PG278Q ROG Swift monitor so these vid cards can be really unleashed.....or brought to their knees! Stay tuned for this one.......................... ..

« Last Edit: February 17, 2015, 07:08:08 PM by Pudgie »
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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 08:48:13 PM »
Just saw what my 2014 tax return refund amount was.......................... ................. :aok  :rock  :x

So I have pulled the trigger on the XFX Black Edition EDBD R9 290X 4Gb 512-bit vid card on Newegg.

For the record the EDBD vers wasn't the cheaper one ($369.99, $339.99 w/ $30.00 rebate), the EDFD vers was ($339.99, $309.99 w/ $30.00 rebate) but the EDBD vers was the closer performer to the GTX 780Ti ref card on the reviews.

Gonna be interesting.................. ............................ :D

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2015, 09:38:56 PM »
It's weird ....... when i posted the link to the black edition card it was actually cheaper than the EDFB ...if only by 10 bucks 8) ..... prices change quick over at newegg lol.  I get what your doing.... when i mentioned my 280x it was just to give you an idea of how it runs AH ...plus  much better the 290x would be. I can run EM but then i have to  turn AA down a notch or risk running out of video memory ..... has happened on 2 notches of AA and 2 notched of EM .

This is my first AMD card since they took over from ATI .... so far im pleased. The biggest change ive noticed over Nvidia is alot less frequent driver updates ..... not a huge deal as the cat 14.12 driver has been great ....i was just used to testing drivers monthly  when i was with nvidia .  I've almost pulled the trigger on a 290x multiple times but keep telling myself to wait to see what the 300 series is going to look like....... right now for the money the 290x is prolly the best bang for the buck out there .   GL and let me know how it goes.

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 12:51:55 PM »
38ruk,

Yeah prices on the 'Egg certainly do change often so they may have changed between the time you saw them & the time I ordered.

When looking at the various reviews of the AMD R9 290X (1 review specifically on the XFX BE DD vers) they show this Radeon to compete very well to the GTX 780Ti...maybe not clearly besting the 780Ti in overall performance but the margin was very close....within 2-5 FPS in most tests & in some benchmarks beating the 780Ti by the same margin. So I decided to get 1 of these & run it to compare for myself on my setup using AH w/ the emphasis on the mem bus size difference. Temp shouldn't be an issue on my box as the fan setup in my CM Storm Scout 1st gen case keeps the box very cool internally w/ excellent airflow.

When I built this box that I'm using now 1 of the criteria for the component choices was to be able to run both graphics platforms (Nvidia or ATI/AMD) on a more or less equal footing as at some point I was anticipating to cross the platform.

I have learned that you never say never in this business..................... ..... ;)

I have already deleted EVGA PrecisionX & installed the latest vers of MSI Afterburner as this utility supports both platforms. After using AB I just might stay w/ it now even if I do switch back to a Nvidia card.

I will post the results as I get them.

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 09:25:55 PM »
She's scheduled to hit my door step on 2-24-15......................................

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 12:11:22 AM »
38ruk,

Yeah prices on the 'Egg certainly do change often so they may have changed between the time you saw them & the time I ordered.

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 09:08:55 PM »
When I got home from work wife had the Radeon on the kitchen table waiting on me........................... ........ :aok

Unpacked this sucker & man this thing is HUGE!!!!!!!
Set all up on my box to swap out the cards (Uninstall Physix & driver, reboot to have OS reload the std vid driver, shut down to swap out vid cards........................ ..................

And here is where you run into an issue if you ain't smart enuff to actually MEASURE the distance from mounting face to the nearest drive bay to see if the new unit would fit before you buy it..............that is, if you don't posess some skills......... :D

I looked at my case (CM Storm Scout 1st gen) & immediately realized that the Radeon ain't gonna fit.......distance was 10 3/4"....Radeon was 11 1/8".......just 3/8" long but when you add approx. 1/4" for the DVI connectors to clear the facing w/ approx. 1/16" clearance between back of card & drive bay so that the card can be installed straight down w/o manoevering to clear stuff ended up needing to cut a 1 1/8"W x 13/16"L section out of the lowest 5 1/4" drive bay on the front side facing out & an equal size section out the same drive bay on the opposite side to allow the SATA cables to attach to the headers straight on w/o looping up into drive bay & around to attach to the headers between the inner wall of the drive bay & the section of vid card that extends over the SATA headers (would've bee impossible to reconnect w/ Radeon mounted). So here presented the perfect opportunity to break out my trusty Dremel tool & attachments & do a little moddin' on the ole box......after I disassembled the components from the case to prevent damage/short circuiting them. Took a little bit of contorting the Dremel into place to make the cuts then clean up the edges afterwards but ole Pudgie got her done (w/ a fair amount of cramping & joint pain....... :old:)!

Used up the rest of my can of compressed air cleaning the case out after surgery then reassembled the components w/ the new Radeon & fired the box back up (took 6 1/2 hrs to complete)....all came back up w/o a hitch (I had left the front bezel of my case off to repair a broken attachment stand (Gorilla Glue) that was broke upon receipt when I bought the case some 2 1/2 yrs back). After checking thru device manager to ensure all was well, I then loaded the vid card drivers (Cat 14.10) that came w/ the card to start off with (I had already dl'd the latest Cat 14.12's from AMD site prior) & went in CCC after reboot & set all up to closely match up w/ the Nvidia settings that I used w/ my 780Ti as best I could (will list all this later....was late) & went into the game & ended up w/ the slide show (FPS 11-19)? After a lot of tinkering around w/ the settings trying to figure all this out I just cleared out the AMD CCC AH profile & reset all profile settings to AMD default settings (use application settings for AF, AA & V-synch w/ TF set to Standard) then went into AH video settings & unchecked disable v-synch & moved AA slider from None to Most then went back in game......FPS back up to 59-60 FPS. Reset all in-game graphics settings to max......including EM & checked all boxes in Advanced tab & flew around.....card holding 59-60 FPS.

Gonna start working up slowly from her to find where the issues are but I'm most likely gonna start by installing latest drivers 1st then work up from there.

Only got 3 1/2 hrs sleep last night.............had ROUGH day today at work....................... :ahand :old:

Typed this while I had the gumption to do it before I sacked out.......................

More to come......................... .............

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2015, 11:09:27 PM »
Update:

Couldn't leave it alone & so I removed the Cat 14.1's & installed the latest Cat WHQL driver (Cat 14.9) & all I can say is "Oh what a driver update can do..................!"

Cat 14.9's fixed everything & I mean everything!

Got the Radeon set up using the driver video settings now just like I had the 780Ti set up & EM set at 3/4 updates................

Using Edge Detect filtering which ups the AA to 24xEQ (max). AA method is set at Multisampling (lowest choice....can't turn off like Nvidia TransAA), AF set at 16x w/ TF set at Standard (gonna retest this at High Quality soon).

Cat 14.9's brought the ability for AB to use a custom fan profile (the exact same profile I had made for the 780Ti) & it keeps this thing cool....highest GPU temps so far up to 65*C.

She's looking good!

More to come......................... ...............

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2015, 11:31:17 PM »
Dremels are for noobs  :neener:



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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2015, 06:41:01 PM »
Update:

Alright all, I believe I've got this here Radeon figured out & optimized as good as it's gonna get & maintain optimum FPS in most circumstances on my box set up as close as I could to the Nvidia GTX 780Ti ref card that I have for comparison.

I used MSI Afterburner 4.1.0 utility to graph vid card performance on both cards as this utility is designed to do that so the exact same items were controlled\graphed on both cards for comparison....even used the exact same fan profile settings on both cards (Cat 14.9 drivers brought this to bear).....

1st comparison:
Both cards were ran in stock out-of-the-box configuration (ie, no OC'ing). Ran both w/ AH on default driver settings w/ AH video settings set: Disable V-synch box unchecked (enables in-game coded v-synch levels to tell GPU to apply) & AA slider set to Most (enables in-game coded AA & other associated coded alpha graphics levels & sets these settings to the max coded levels to tell GPU to render) for 1st comparison.
The AH in-game graphics beta settings were set as follows in Graphics Detail:
Object Detail slider set full left to Detail (highest detail rendering), Ground Detail Distance slider set full left to 4 mi (farthest ground object detail rendering from POV), Gamma slider was set to 1.0 (sets brightness level of graphics viewing). All boxes were checked except the following 2 boxes....Disable Weapons Effects & Disable Vehicle Effects. In the Advanced tab all boxes were checked & EM enabled & set at 3/4 full updates & Graphics Texture Size set at 4096 (max).

When set up in this fashion both cards performed in AHII flawlessly, both pegged the game at 59-60 FPS consistently, both cards were not fully utilized (AMD PowerTune & Nvidia GPU Boost 2.0 did not boost the GPU's to full clocks....290X ran at 839Hz-936Hz (max boost clocks 1050Hz), 780Ti ran at 705Hz-837Hz (max boost clocks 1020Hz)), both cards GPU temps ran between 62*C-65*C, neither card's fan speeds went nowhere near full...both ran around 75%-80% & were pretty quiet. GPU usage % was at about the same avg of 57%-65% but the 780Ti graph line was much, much smoother w/ tighter variation vs the 290X graph line which had much more variation but this didn't affect any aspect of the 290X's performance. The graphics quality was superb coming from both cards looking absolutely beautiful w/ a very slight edge going to the 290X for sharpness & the gameplay was very smooth & responsive.

As configured above either card is more than enough to run AHII at near to full max graphics settings w/o issue in any way. I was pleasantly surprised to see that neither card's GPU was fully utilized using AHII's coded graphics alpha settings regardless of game loading. This is a good indicator that when the new AHIII code rolls out these 2 cards should IMO handle the game w/ relatively little issue using the upcoming new AHIII coded graphics rendering calls........whatever they will be. I can be wrong here as it will entirely depend on Hitech & crew's goals as to what the max levels will be but I just can't see them wasting coding time & resources coding in levels that don't make good business sense....remember the 8196 texture size setting that they removed....just to say that no one's computer can run the game at max graphics settings.

The big advantage of price for this performance as configured above in AH definitely goes to the 290X in today's market....no way around this if the only game 1 plays is AHII AND what you're willing to spend for this kind of AHII performance is paramount to you.

I'll post the 2nd comparison later when both cards were ran using the vid card's driver to set the alpha graphics settings & the AHII video settings w/ AA slider set to None & Disable V-Synch box checked.

Gonna go fly around for a while...............

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Re: AMD Radeon R9 290X from XFX
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2015, 04:23:00 PM »
Ok, now for round #2:

Caveat: May take 2 postings to get all info listed.....................

2nd Comparison:
Both cards were ran in stock out-of-the-box configuration (ie, no OC'ing). Ran both w/ AHII using the respective driver's alpha graphics settings w/ AH video settings set: Disable V-synch box checked (disables in-game coded v-synch levels so drivers will use it's settings) & AA slider set to None (disables in-game coded AA & other associated coded alpha graphics levels so drivers will use it's settings) for 2nd comparison. Note: the vid card's respective driver settings were set based on optimization criteria.........
The AH in-game graphics beta settings were set as follows in Graphics Detail:
Object Detail slider set full left to Detail (highest detail rendering), Ground Detail Distance slider set full left to 4 mi (farthest ground object detail rendering from POV), Gamma slider was set to 1.0 (sets brightness level of graphics viewing). All boxes were checked except the following 2 boxes....Disable Weapons Effects & Disable Vehicle Effects. In the Advanced tab all boxes were checked & EM enabled (set levels based on optimization criteria) & Graphics Texture Size set at 4096 (max).

The optimization criteria that I used was as follows:
1. Baseline GPU utilization will be to at least 90% of max boost clock speed. 290X this was 945 MHz, 780Ti this was 918 MHz. This level was chosen to get as close to the GPU's max clocks as I can using the driver's alpha settings but still allow either card's GPU control to make the final GPU's power & clock speed adjustments based on GPU operating temps due to changing game environment for parity.
2. Any alpha graphics settings that caused the same negative image quality effects to occur for both cards will be turned off to keep as level of a playing field as is possible for parity. I will elaborate on them & the effects they caused to the vid card's performance though.
3. The only AH II in-game graphics beta setting level that will be adjusted to reach goal #1 will be EM, but EM will stay enabled for both vid cards again for parity. All driver-level graphics beta settings will remain at default driver level settings as they were in the 1st comparison for parity.
4. Any graphics alpha setting that 1 card maker provided over the other that gave it an edge w/o causing a negative image quality impact was used. Driver feature sets are important & is 1 of the items that these 2 companies are using to market their products as the best & so is fair game as I see it. I will elaborate on them though..........

So w/ this criteria set I ran both vid cards & made the settings changes necessary to achieve all & here's where it all shook out:
Note: I tried to lay out both driver's settings in a format to show what's similar, what's not, what's featured in 1 over the other & to explain any conflicting or problem issues. The 290X settings are bracketed in ().......................

                                                                                   
780Ti: Ambient Occlusion not supported (290X: No driver setting for AO but game doesn't support so moot)   
780Ti: Anisotropic Filtering set @ 16x (290X: Anisotropic Filtering Mode set @ Override 3D Application)
780Ti:                                               (290X: Anisotropic Filtering Level set @ 16x)
780Ti: Antialiasing-FXAA set @ Off     (290X: Morphological Filtering set @ Off) 
Note: Both caused blurry text in graphics images on both cards so kicked them out...would have otherwise penalized 290X big time over 780Ti performance-wise.
780Ti: Antialiasing Mode set @ Override Any Application Settings (290X: Anti-Aliasing Mode set @ Override 3D Application)
780Ti: Antialiasing-Setting set @ 32xCSAA (290X: Anti-Aliasing Samples set @ 12xEQ)
780Ti:                                                     (290X: Filter set @ Edge-Detect)
Note: This filter setting is an AMD exclusive that effectively doubles the effective AA sampling rates. Max is 24xEQ but 290X couldn't maintain FPS of 59-60 at 100% GPU load so backed down to 12xEQ to achieve this.     
780Ti: Antialiasing-Transparency set @ Multisampling (290X: Anti-Aliasing Method set @ Multisampling)
Cuda-GPU's set @ All
780Ti: Maximum Pre-Rendered Frames set @ 1
780Ti: Multi-Display\Mixed GPU Acceleration set @ Single Display Performance Mode
780Ti: Power Management Mode set @ Adaptive
780Ti: Shader Cache set @ On
780Ti: Texture Filtering-Anisotropic Sample Optimizations set @ Off
780Ti: Texture Filtering Negative LOD Bias set @ Clamp
780Ti: Texture Filtering-Quality set @ High Quality (290X: Texture Filtering Quality set @ High Quality)
780Ti: Texture Filtering-Trilinear Optimizations set @ On
780Ti: Threaded Optimization set @ Auto
780Ti: Triple Buffering set @ Off (290X: OpenGL Triple Buffering set @ Off)
780Ti: Vertical Synch set @ On (290X: Wait for Vertical Refresh set @ Off, Unless Application Specifies)
Note: AMD Cat 14.9 driver Wait for Vertical Refresh setting of "Always On" would not take w/ AHII Video Setting "Disable V-Synch" checkbox checked....it should have but I could not get it to hold. To get v-synch working in-game I had to reset the Cat 14.9 driver back to default then uncheck the AHII video setting so V-synch would work in-game. Cat driver issue.
780Ti: Virtual Reality Pre-Rendered Frames set @1
                                               (290X: Surface Format Optimizations set @ On)
                                               (290X: Tessellation Mode set @ Use Application Settings)
                                               (290X: Tessellation Level set @ Use Application Settings)

AHII Graphics Detail tab
Advanced tab: EM Slider

780Ti: EM Slider set @ 3/4 Updates   (290X: EM Slider set @ 1/4 Updates)




                                                                                 
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