Cost for Bomber Bailing Epidemic

[Slade]

Got close today to some B-26s.  Tracked them for 3 sectors.  They bailed when I got close just outside of proxy range.

Again climbed out to fly cap...

Got close to some Lancs.  Tracked them for 3 sectors.  They bailed when I got close just outside of proxy range.

Others reported to me on 200 they were experiencing the same thing.  Old topic on this BBS.

I wish there was more of a cost to deter this kinda behavior.  I dont necessarily need their proxy kill(s).  Would have been nice to at least have a chance to EARN them. 

Wonder what could be done?

[Wiley]

Everything I've ever seen suggested on the subject was either easily circumventable, completely gamey, punitive to bombers who die legitimately, or wouldn't be a motivator for someone who just wants to blow something up and doesn't care about anything else.

It's just not something that can be fixed without downsides that outweigh the upside.  I've just learned to rationalize it as if they don't make it to target, I count it as a win and move on.  If they stick around after drop for me to make them pay for it, that's just a bonus.

Wiley.

[Nathan60]

yep, just had 2 bomb n bailers in less than 30 minutes. Would it be possible to take score away from those that bail from undamaged bombers?

[Wiley]

yep, just had 2 bomb n bailers in less than 30 minutes. Would it be possible to take score away from those that bail from undamaged bombers?

Sure.  Why would that motivate them?  Bomb and bailers only want to blow something up and bail so they can reup without having to RTB.

Wiley.

[Lusche]

There are two types of bomb'n'bail (or just bail)

The first is the true bomb'n'bail. For him this is the kost 'efficient' way to play the war, as it just daves him the return time. He doesn't care about score at all (if he did, he wouldn't bail at all)
There's about nothing that can be done about it

The second one only bails when engaged. He does it to deny the enemy a possible kill. Often he does let an suspected enemy fly into icon range. If it's a 'dangerous' plane to him, he bails.
Score isn't that important to him, else he wouldn't take a certain triple death over a possible death. He just doesn't wan't to 'give' the opposing player a kill, no matter what.
Only extending the proxy range to icon range would have some effect here.

[HawkerMKII]

yep, just had 2 bomb n bailers in less than 30 minutes. Would it be possible to take score away from those that bail from undamaged bombers?

 

No cuz if I up and see a base under attack and bail to help why should I get pinged for that??????

[Volron]

It's as Wiley said; if they are bomb n' bailing, what makes you really think they give a hoot about their score?

But...
First would be, do you have film of each time it happens?  If so, is it always the same people?  These questions also come into play: Does it ALWAYS happen around a certain distance?  Say proxy is 5k (I honestly do not know what our proxy range is now, 5k is just an example): Do they ALWAYS bail around 5.25-5.75k out, kind of thing?  Look for a set distance, or tiny distance range in the films.  One more question would be: Does bailing happen around that distance range, regardless if you are creeping up on them at 10MPH from dead 6, or coming at them at 800MPH from high 12?

[SmokinLoon]

Until HTC changes the scoring/point system so it is detrimental for bomb-n-bail faygots, it will continue.

A: Apply a small perk cost to the B26's and above (B17, 24, Lancs). Don't whine until you think about how easy it is to earn bomber perk points and how little you have to spend those perk point on.

B: Offer ZERO perk points for bailing out of undamaged aircraft. Bailing out of a perfectly good airplane should be a major taboo.

[Wiley]

Until HTC changes the scoring/point system so it is detrimental for bomb-n-bail faygots, it will continue.

A: Apply a small perk cost to the B26's and above (B17, 24, Lancs). Don't whine until you think about how easy it is to earn bomber perk points and how little you have to spend those perk point on.

B: Offer ZERO perk points for bailing out of undamaged aircraft. Bailing out of a perfectly good airplane should be a major taboo.

Regarding B- And if they auger or nose down until wingrip?

Wiley.

[Oldman731]

I've just learned to rationalize it as if they don't make it to target, I count it as a win and move on. 

I like this thought.  Mission accomplished!  The orphanage has been saved!

Nevertheless, it would be nice to have incentive to engage in combat, not avoid it.

- oldman

[Nathan60]

 

No cuz if I up and see a base under attack and bail to help why should I get pinged for that??????

I meant lose the score for that run,  if you want to keep your score for that run don't bail. Wouldn't hurt would it.

[bustr]

Text buffer message across all three countries, player x just bailed from undamaged bomber y or z. At least you could shoot at them during the race for the ground.

Skuzzy would ban stick Hitech if he ever coded that.

[Meatwad]

Have it show up on the buffer "*playername* has bailed out of *aircraft type*"

Then publicly humiliate them for it

(Beat me to it)

[waystin2]

Increase the bail range to similar distance to what you see in the film viewer.  Definitely longer than 6.0k.   anyone know the range?  At least some kills would be awarded for those willing to put in the work to intercept.

Also, can we do something about those who fly off the map.  Some maps you can kill them, some maps you can't.  I'll chase them off the map, just let me shoot them down.

[dallash]

Bombing  and bailing is dishonorable.   Bailing to avoid a kill is downright slimy.


Dallash