Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?

[DmonSlyr]

Time to clear up this misconception once again.

In yet another thread dealing with this idea back in November 28, 2006 one poster put this up:

It drew a reply FROM THE GAME'S DESIGNER that everyone should read and understand:

The bolding is mine, of course.

Ok….got it? Conquering bases/winning the war is not what the game was "designed for". The whole base taking idea is just to promote combat.

So the sacred task of winning the war and gaining a reset for the Chesspiece….isn't sacred. It is, in fact,  no "more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up".

I hope this helps some of you at least.

Than obviously there is no point to the 12 hour rule then. Huh
Oops I said it.

The DA gives all of what he says into consideration that he is looking for. The DA was designed for furballing. If that is all people wanted to do. There would be more people in there...

[FLS]

Furballs in the DA were never, in my experience, the same as furballs in the MA.

[Toad]

Yeah, Guppy….I'm still kicking. Trying to play more but real life is making that tough. Need to play as my meager skills are totally atrophied. It's a struggle.

Amazing though isn't it?

Here we are at 8 years plus since HT himself said

The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.

and people still don't get it.

It's good that some do. Those are the guys that draw me back into it. Guys like you. <S>

[FLS]

Back when I had a side I was a furballer. Now I believe in friction and frustration. The base takers and furballers need to be in the same arena annoying each other.

Everyone that gets hooked on AH gets hooked on the game as it is. When someone says the game is stale it's the same game they got hooked on. The difference in the play experience is really a difference in the player. That difference is mainly a reduction in difficulty and frustration. Then the game is supposed to change for that one player or that group of players instead of the player finding new challenges in the existing game. Players find the game interesting as long as there are frustrations to overcome.

One of the good things in AH is the rotating maps. If every map had the same furball bases I believe that would promote boredom. It would be like playing the same map without rotation. The changing maps should change gameplay a bit or what's the point?
 
Furball lake in the DA had a function like a nursury for the MA. That's not all it was but many players got their start there. If war thunder or whatever has supplanted that role it will still produce bored players who are ready to step up to AH. And WT has greater numbers than the DA ever did. Since the DA is pretty dead now I think adding score might liven it up a little but it still serves it's role as a dedicated dueling arena.

[ink]

holy crap...Toad...long arse time....

I remember an awesome fight we had many years ago....you I think were in the FM2 me in Hurri2....


good to see you back...

[hgtonyvi]

Warty complaining about having decent fight? What happend the other day when i engaged you and TA57 winging together?, I fought u both and killed TA57 then you just ran, i chased you down and asked you to fight and u kept running. SO running makes it boring for myself and yourself.

[Toad]

Thx, Ink...kind words.

[DmonSlyr]

Back when I had a side I was a furballer. Now I believe in friction and frustration. The base takers and furballers need to be in the same arena annoying each other.

Everyone that gets hooked on AH gets hooked on the game as it is. When someone says the game is stale it's the same game they got hooked on. The difference in the play experience is really a difference in the player. That difference is mainly a reduction in difficulty and frustration. Then the game is supposed to change for that one player or that group of players instead of the player finding new challenges in the existing game. Players find the game interesting as long as there are frustrations to overcome.

One of the good things in AH is the rotating maps. If every map had the same furball bases I believe that would promote boredom. It would be like playing the same map without rotation. The changing maps should change gameplay a bit or what's the point?
 
Furball lake in the DA had a function like a nursury for the MA. That's not all it was but many players got their start there. If war thunder or whatever has supplanted that role it will still produce bored players who are ready to step up to AH. And WT has greater numbers than the DA ever did. Since the DA is pretty dead now I think adding score might liven it up a little but it still serves it's role as a dedicated dueling arena.

I agree. IMO, that is why TT or FI are contradictory to the puropse of the fight.  It is good when the game has mixed parts like bombing, tanking, and fighting all working on a strategic map. A FI or TT defeats strategical aspects to the game and thus makes it boring.

Smaller games like what H2H use to be are a lot of freaking fun. Small bases and maybe 8-15 people fighting. That is seriously sooo much fun. But people don't see the custom arenas and they are magnetically attracted the the MA because of big #s. The MA is only one aspect to the game. If there were 3-4 servers for FFA and team death match, on a smog 8 Map, with  a 20 player cap. It would be sooooooo much fun. The sad thing is that for some reason the community would by pass that and go right to the MA expecting 1v1 fights and fair game play. It's war, it's not gonna happen.

[Warty]

Dmonslyr (can I buy you some vowels?):

Thanks for the response. All good points.  When I was flying a year or two ago, I probably spent 95% of my time in the DA. But I dont really see people in there anymore. Otherwise, well, I'd probably still just hang out there for most things.

I don't disagree that furballing ALL the time becomes stale, but honestly, I could probably do it all day long and not complain too much

Anyway, I didn't know there were dedicated furball fields in some of the maps. I knew about the tank areas, but I thought those were kind of off limits to airplanes, because people just wanted tank v tank fights there.

The thing about numbers magnetism is that it's a real thing. If I could, I would play in axis vs allies, or mid-war arena a lot. But I don't see anyone in there. I went into mid-war the other day, there were 7 people on, but only 3 were in flight, and when I asked where they were flying, one was manning a gun, and nobody else responded. I think it's pretty natural that people will go where the biggest number is. But it's also natural that people will log off if they go in, can't find X activity (furballing, GV, etc.). And that makes the perception of the place a bit worse for the next person, who see less people. Even if you never got the 20-30 furball addicts to move out of the furball area, I think it would still help the overall numbers for the arena, and thus for AH. People can't tell when they log in whether the people are in the furball area, they just see that one big number. In any case, it's pretty clear all this has been hashed out before, so nothing new under the sun...

[Guppy35]

Violator you are missing a huge part of the online gaming idea in that there is also a social aspect of things.   If every one separates out into different arenas and only interacts with a few people, the larger notion of a community within the game gets lost.

For many of us that part of the age is important.  An MA that promotes combat in a variety of ways is the best way to build that community and the game itself.

[Toad]

It is good when the game has mixed parts like bombing, tanking, and fighting all working on a strategic map. A FI or TT defeats strategical aspects to the game and thus makes it boring.

What you posted there is opinion, more specifically your opinion.

It is one I do not happen to share but being the open minded guy I am, I totally accept that you a free to have your own opinion.

I'd just like to point out that the designer of the game doesn't feel that all that strateegery doesn't have precedence over just going out and mixing it up.

Well...what the heck....one more time:

HITECH:

The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.

[FLS]

I agree. IMO, that is why TT or FI are contradictory to the puropse of the fight.  It is good when the game has mixed parts like bombing, tanking, and fighting all working on a strategic map. A FI or TT defeats strategical aspects to the game and thus makes it boring.

Smaller games like what H2H use to be are a lot of freaking fun. Small bases and maybe 8-15 people fighting. That is seriously sooo much fun. But people don't see the custom arenas and they are magnetically attracted the the MA because of big #s. The MA is only one aspect to the game. If there were 3-4 servers for FFA and team death match, on a smog 8 Map, with  a 20 player cap. It would be sooooooo much fun. The sad thing is that for some reason the community would by pass that and go right to the MA expecting 1v1 fights and fair game play. It's war, it's not gonna happen.

I think you're missing a point. Never having TT or FT would be as boring as always having them.

[Ack-Ack]

Sadly, the community can't be trusted with having a dedicated furball area on a MA map.  The griefing by one segment of the community towards another segment will start immediately, it happened in the past and it will happen again.

[DmonSlyr]

I think you're missing a point. Never having TT or FT would be as boring as always having them.

Not necessarily... If the bases were closer together you'd have all the fights and furballing you can imagine.  Lack of skill in another short coming....

[DmonSlyr]

What you posted there is opinion, more specifically your opinion.

It is one I do not happen to share but being the open minded guy I am, I totally accept that you a free to have your own opinion.

I'd just like to point out that the designer of the game doesn't feel that all that strateegery doesn't have precedence over just going out and mixing it up.

Well...what the heck....one more time:

Yeah. Opinion of 8-9 years game play h2h and overall experience.  Going to a furball with 20 people on a custom map for one night is glorious fun. If you don't believe me, try it.

You guys don't understand that the MA is a segment war. There are other places to bring a group of people to fight furball and tank but you don't find a sense of meaning to it. Hopefully the numbers will pick up again to find people who are encouraged for that type of fight. 

A furball area is important, but it should be strategized to make an impact to the overall war aspect to the game. IMO, bases that are closer together would make a much more furballistic atmosphere. Check out the AvA. It has this action. Warty that place is awesome. I'd love to go in there, but like you said normally it is blank and the majority won't give it a shot.