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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2015, 03:08:13 AM »

I play WoT and I haven't spent a penny on it at all. I haven't spent any money on any of the free to play games I play.

latrobe if you dont buy gold to get a premium account then you either belong to a squad that hands gold out to you or you play tier 5 or 6 to earn enough credit to play tier 8 thru 10.

but to be honest there's no such thing as a free game, somebody's gotta pay it.  you really think the developers and all the other guys invest their time just because they love the game?  because if that was true then hitech would just give this game away for free.

we get a game that for 15 bucks you can play almost every airplane for free, only limitation is those that require some perks.  on the other hand those "free to play" games, you must work your way up to the top and even then you have the option of "buying" better armament, apc or faster turning turret on some tanks.

been playing wot for a while.  you want a faster turret then you either buy gold or earn enough credits to buy one.  the poor sucker that ups the same tank that you do doesnt necessarily have the same tank you do.  you think I am wrong then I'll tell you about researched the t29 but only had the m176 gun.  guess what when I went into battle, i couldnt penetrate anything, it was embarrassing.  so either you had to put up with playing 100 or so games to earn enought research credits for the top gun or use gold.

so free to play my azzz.  perhaps for some for others they gotta pay to play.  and dont even get me started when you get into tier 8 and you find tanks that unless they're by themselves and you flank them you wont penetrate them.

now in ah you pay 15 bucks and as a friend or 2 to go to ew or mw and you will have crdits everyday to fly any plane you want againt another airplane that has the same armament.  no such bs as having to buy better armor, fuel, or aiming time. :).


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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 06:11:01 AM »
latrobe if you dont buy gold to get a premium account then you either belong to a squad that hands gold out to you or you play tier 5 or 6 to earn enough credit to play tier 8 thru 10.

but to be honest there's no such thing as a free game, somebody's gotta pay it.  you really think the developers and all the other guys invest their time just because they love the game?  because if that was true then hitech would just give this game away for free.

we get a game that for 15 bucks you can play almost every airplane for free, only limitation is those that require some perks.  on the other hand those "free to play" games, you must work your way up to the top and even then you have the option of "buying" better armament, apc or faster turning turret on some tanks.

been playing wot for a while.  you want a faster turret then you either buy gold or earn enough credits to buy one.  the poor sucker that ups the same tank that you do doesnt necessarily have the same tank you do.  you think I am wrong then I'll tell you about researched the t29 but only had the m176 gun.  guess what when I went into battle, i couldnt penetrate anything, it was embarrassing.  so either you had to put up with playing 100 or so games to earn enought research credits for the top gun or use gold.

so free to play my azzz.  perhaps for some for others they gotta pay to play.  and dont even get me started when you get into tier 8 and you find tanks that unless they're by themselves and you flank them you wont penetrate them.

now in ah you pay 15 bucks and as a friend or 2 to go to ew or mw and you will have crdits everyday to fly any plane you want againt another airplane that has the same armament.  no such bs as having to buy better armor, fuel, or aiming time. :).


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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2015, 06:27:53 AM »
to consider me "Aces High royalty" is a bit of stretch. :)
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2015, 06:28:01 AM »
anytime I try to get anyone to play this game they're instantly turned off by the outdated subscription model. It's simply too much to commit to for a game they do not know if they will keep playing. While "pay to win" I think is sucky, it's less sucky then having no players.

EDIT: Question for hitech, will we get proper default sounds this update or stick with those honestly terrible sounding defaults from AH2 which also make the game seem dated.
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2015, 07:39:11 AM »
anytime I try to get anyone to play this game they're instantly turned off by the outdated subscription model. It's simply too much to commit to for a game they do not know if they will keep playing. While "pay to win" I think is sucky, it's less sucky then having no players.

EDIT: Question for hitech, will we get proper default sounds this update or stick with those honestly terrible sounding defaults from AH2 which also make the game seem dated.

1. Before you make accusations about the game. You should probably play and learn the game better before you express your full opinion. You can download other sounds that fellow players in the community have made. Some people really do a great job with them. You do not have to use the default sounds.

2. While I agree with you that the physical detail level does need to be enhanced for new dedicated subscribers, the pay to win game model is a joke. It is not a fair structure to beginning players as well. It limits skill sets and forces the wallet to be your skill decider. It takes competition out of the game and ruins the game for people who believe winning with even measures is what games are all about.

3. The war base wholelistic atmosphere is the best part of AH. Having the freedom to soar the skies and fight where and whenever you want, bomb any city, tank all over the place. It makes it seem more realistic. Being showed into a room with TD and FFA like WT is fun and all, but too me it is not the game model in AH. Personally, I think HTC's strategy for a full map all out war is awesome. All we need are more people to join the game and you will be blown away by how much action there will be.

4. While I do agree that HTC does have some problems to look into, and strategies to consider with these maps, HQ, strats, maps that promote large fights, and the Training aspect ( which should be free so people can learn thr game, they cant actually down a plane and they will be itching for it), the overall game structure on a large map, nor the flight model should be changed.

5. Again, there are other places in AH2 that you can go to and experience FFAs and team death matches. AH2 has a places where you can create your own custom rooms. All it takes is someone to make a FFA room with a smog 8 map, promote the hell out of it on the BBs, and boom you have a 16-32 base FFA or TDM.

6. I agree that promotion, PR, and recognition need some up lifting. I believe the reason this game wasn't on those links you provided is simply because people haven't heard of this game. Also, a 2 weeks free trial is very difficult to learn and understand the game to be willing enough to pay for it monthly. You have to have a super warbird enthousiest who is willing to stay. Most people have to work, 2 weeks doesn't give them enough attachment time. Olds, my friends say the same thing. They are not as enthusiastic about warbirds, so they don't care to pay for a game monthly that isn't up to graphic standards, realizing they wouldn't play that much anyway. It's a fun for time opportunity cash cost.

7. Learn the game better. When you become better at AH, you become better at getting kills and having longer sorties. You have better fights, you help the team better, you have more successful missions. It took me 8-10 years to get to a good level. Many people who complain are new and don't have the slightest clue what's going on. If they practiced more they would get more kills and stay alive longer.. I hope the learning curve never changes because in AH you really get a sense of how scary warbirds really are in the right hands, and flying ain't easy. If you want to be good and become a good pilot in AH, you have to spend years learning it, instead of paying to have better planes and bullets than everyone else,  and that is something special about this game.

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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2015, 07:59:08 AM »
This pretty much covers"free to play" games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CbWr0zO7Ac
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2015, 08:10:00 AM »
There does have to be something else to provide the "hook" for people to stay beyond checking out the game.  The graphic updates alone will not be enough, there has to be changes to the current game play.  That's why I got excited when HiTech hinted at a "Combat Tour Lite" changes to the game. 

It is possible that the set up we have now with the Early, Mid, and Late War arenas will be going away with just a single "Main Arena" in its place, which will be feature the same game play we have now.  With some of the features of Combat Tour that was kept after its initial development, we can have other arenas that feature PvE type game play using the "Staged Mission" system and flying against AI while advancing our pilot with RPG elements.  Other arenas can feature PvP game play with different game modes like Capture The Flag, Team Deathmatch, FFA Deathmatch or even staged PvP missions for those that want quick PvP action outside of the main arena.

The one thing I do hope never happens with the update is that they relax the flight model for any reason.

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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2015, 08:25:54 AM »
free to play does not equal pay to win. The WoT business model is highway robery. That said I don't forsee an aces high where you pay perks to unlock planes and loadouts, and gain perks at a higher rate if you are a paying customer

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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2015, 08:26:51 AM »
After reading everyone's personal experiences with free-to-play monetary model. You need to understand that it can be implemented in many different shapes and forms and not just only pay to win. All though many publishers do go this root because everyone loves truck loads of money, right?

For those of you who're scared for life by free to play games. I wouldn't worry, I highly doubt HTC would switch to that method anytime soon.  ;) While I feel like I could go into a more detailed break down of my reasoning why,  I'll save myself some time and end this part of the discussion here.
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2015, 08:38:47 AM »
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2015, 09:04:44 AM »
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2015, 09:08:39 AM »
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2015, 09:37:22 AM »
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2015, 10:42:57 AM »
How about that....another thread demanding answers from HiTech.....whoda thunk......Freemium games are rip-offs, and frankly anyone who wants to just pay money to make believe he's improved in a game.....well, there aren't words insulting enough to accurately relay my thoughts. The same old lame whines and ideas aren't going to improve AH. What compells me to play, and continue to, is:It's the best mix of difficulty and accuracy of flight model, while not being so tough that it runs most people away. All this pay to get better planes, tanks, etc. is not going to do anything but bring more of the kind of people we don't want...those who run rather than engage, those who refuse to do anything but the one discipline that they enjoy, even while they are whining that there's nobody to fight...like a teenager standing in front of a full refrigerator while complaining "there's nothing to eat...". I VERY rarely come in and find that there's nothing in game that is fun to do. Get over it, stop complaining( I know, you're only trying to "improve" the game...well you're not, you're just complaining and it gets old to hear the same old same old.
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Re: Questions for HTC (HiTech/Pyro)
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2015, 11:36:51 AM »
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I VERY rarely come in and find that there's nothing in game that is fun to do.

I've said the exact same thing in every thread like these - I've never NOT been able to find something fun to do and be entertained.

Others don't feel the same, if they want to complain about that - HTC can respond to that however they please IMO.

So far as the "complaining".  I never complained about any facet of the game - neither was Kazaa with his OP.  I made complaints, for better or worse, about HTC policy regarding communication with players, but so far as the game goes, I'm happy with whatever is there, if I wasn't I just wouldn't play it, and move on the the dozens of games I buy that I don't even have time to try, much less play.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say I suppose, it's very contradictory for being a ball of a giant run together sentence. 

One thing that's of particular note, you said "people we don't want".   Who exactly do you determine "people" and "we" to be?  HTC said the following recently, something I think he is 100% correct about -

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Reality is that for AH  to grow again it is all about  attracting new customers, and very little to do with keeping the current ones. That simple explanation will be taken out of context at some point, but people who play the same game for many years in a row are not the norm. To maintain viability it is all about inflow rates and out flow rates. At some point (average player life time) trying to slow the out flow rate does not make economic sense.

The "people"   "WE" don't want?  That's a very arrogant and presumptuous thing to say, especially after berating others for what you labelled as being "complainers".  I hate being the bearer of bad news, but the potential crop of "new players" out there may not like, want, or even be offered the type of gameplay YOU want or that YOU consider "good". 
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