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Offline PR3D4TOR

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 07:28:31 AM »
The French have concluded that the co-pilot committed mass murder-suicide. It's not the computers we need to remove from the cockpit, it's the bloody stick monkeys that need to go.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 12:06:53 PM »
Still blaiming the fly-by-wire, Earl?

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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2015, 03:51:19 PM »
What a horrible revelation... Terrible news that it was on purpose, rather than an accident.

Planes don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people...

Thoughts & prayers for the families of those affected...  :pray
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 04:15:27 PM »
Earl may have very indelicately voiced an observation about the future. Once we reach the point that computers become involved to tie our shoes as a living standard, what point is there to life. Then the only way to insure one person having a bad day doesn't override the computer is to remove ourselves from any control over the computer for our own safety. Computers eventually break when you least need it.

As we remove purpose from our lives and the risk involved, what is the end game? Much of what we call vocations in our modern life can, and will be replaced by computers to remove the risk factor of imperfect humans from the equation. What are you going to do with all of those humans now with no purpose in their lives other than play games all day and talk to distant voices coming out of a machine or a plugin in their heads?

At some point who will pay the tax burden to support them when our work forces are computers? The greatest single cost to any company is the fixed asset, the employee. The greatest source of problems for companies again is it's employees. The majority of problems with computers can be traced back to employees.

Earl in his own way was voicing a warning. How ever imperfect we are, we derive meaning in our lives by taking the risks of living it.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 05:07:19 PM »
If I had been plainly been blaming the plane for the accident,,,
'This about would be the moment when I'd be saying I'm sorry....

I'm waiting....

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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 05:08:16 PM »
What Earl did is known as 'concern trolling'.  It is where something without data to support it is put out there as a question when it really comes across as idea pushing, without supporting evidence.  This is very common on the internet and media nowadays.  I am not saying Earl intended it in that way, but that is effectively what the OP was.
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2015, 05:39:12 PM »
If I had been plainly been blaming the plane for the accident,,,
'This about would be the moment when I'd be saying I'm sorry....

I'm waiting....

And hopefully you get to wait for a long time,nothing he posted to appologise for. He threw out a hypothesis, a what may have happened senario.

« Last Edit: March 26, 2015, 05:41:48 PM by mbailey »
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2015, 06:06:45 PM »
If the theory that the co-pilot had a bad day and used his office to commit suicide is true.

Will this cause passenger carriers world wide to reassess the dangers of not hiring from a more mature and varied experience candidate pool? The young man went from earning a glider certificate to an airline college and right seat with passengers in very few years. Where are all those life's experiences fighting for any kind of commercial work, or flying for the military that molds your character and mental strength before competing for an airline job? If in fact he had emotional issues, that real world grinder would have eliminated him early on. College is an easy place to hide, especially if you are good at passing the subjects and that's the bar for success.

There will still be many more shoes to drop about this to come including terrorism. Seems he scrubbed his Facebook page before this flight. Earl was voicing a feeling, seems the computer didn't save anyone from human emotions. Chances are the push will be for better computers instead of the trouble of attracting better people which is expensive.
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2015, 06:39:48 PM »
And hopefully you get to wait for a long time,nothing he posted to appologise for. He threw out a hypothesis, a what may have happened senario.

You are a dimwhitted side of the party, aren't you.



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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2015, 06:45:06 PM »
Lol.....name calling, typical.  Let me know how waiting for that apology works out for ya.   :aok
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2015, 08:51:22 PM »
You are a dimwhitted side of the party, aren't you.


Nice.  Been drinking?

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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2015, 10:43:55 PM »

Nice.  Been drinking?

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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2015, 05:46:20 AM »
such anger in this thread

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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2015, 07:22:37 AM »
such anger in this thread
:airplane: you are so right! All I have been saying, and I guess since I am not a English professor, said it the wrong way, is at what point do we put all our trust in computers and take safety out the hands of the guy in the left seat? Is anything "fool proof"? No, of course not, but I had rather trust a human to make decisions on my safety
in flight as a little black box mounted somewhere in the cockpit.
I sometimes wonder, just for argument sake, what would the computers have done in WW2 with a bomber with a missing elevator, one aileron gone and only 2 of four engines working?
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« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2015, 07:44:39 AM »
Re the general concern re computers in control..... (btw should this be in O club now).

Its a matter of perspective. In a plane the pilot is as reliant on electronics and servos now as he was once on cables and pulleys...... and after that rods and cranks. Just as he/she is reliant on turbines as he/she may once have had the more understandable internal combustion engine.

Our lives are now irrevocably intertwined with silicon...... there is no return.....

Actually what failed here was the one component that is different in every aircraft that whilst subject to intense programming (training) and periodic maintenance (assessment) is still the single variable with the least known point of failure. Hence we build in a double redundancy which in this instance was bypassed.
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