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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2015, 06:53:44 AM »
Link?

Hmm I just read the article and now I can't find it.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2015, 06:59:50 AM »
Chemtrails are real. Just recently a research showed that they could stop climate warming by injecting a small amount of ash or similar material into atmosphere every day. They said that basically a firehose worth of ash would already stop the warming.

They found this out when they wanted to disprove that a man made volcanic eruption could cool the climate. To their shock the calculations showed that it would be very much possible actually.

The only problem now is that they're afraid to start dusting the atmosphere because nobody knows what the long term effects could be. The good news is however that there is a quick fix to climate warming if it should become a real problem.

I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2015, 07:30:41 AM »
I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)

A huge eruption can make a mini ice age. This is not what they were looking for. They were investigating if a man made ash cover could affect the climate. Since global warming happens at a very slow rate, even a small permanent ash layer in the higher atmosphere was found to negate the effect.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2015, 08:33:26 AM »
I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)
Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming.  Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2015, 08:38:46 AM »
Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming.  Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.

Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.

A huge eruption can make a mini ice age. This is not what they were looking for. They were investigating if a man made ash cover could affect the climate. Since global warming happens at a very slow rate, even a small permanent ash layer in the higher atmosphere was found to negate the effect.

But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2015, 09:14:50 AM »
Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.

But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.

The scientists in the article were talking about a 'firehose worth' of spread 24 hours a day to be enough.
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2015, 10:03:27 AM »
Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.

But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
Not to mention when we naturally go back into 'cool' that has happened many many times that extra layer should it even be possible would come back to haunt us.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2015, 10:06:55 AM »
Chemtrails, contrails, unicorn farts. Whatever is going on doesn't look very healthy.

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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2015, 10:21:42 AM »
Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming.  Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.

That is not 100% correct. Reducing cloud cover would not increase global warming, In fact it might actually do the opposite. Cloud cover actually keeps all of the C02, waper vapor, and other green house gases inside the atmopshere, much like a greenhouse, which warms the earth.  During a cloudy night It traps in the earth's geothermal and infared heat which is why it is hotter during cloud cover at night time. Instead of these green house gasses being dispersed higher into the atmosphere they get trapped into the lower atmosphere causing higher scales of global warming.

In turn, reducing clouds may be better for the atmosphere. Depending on where the earth is positioned to the sun.   

However, cloud seeding, while being tested, doesn't do very much in the overall atmosphere. To effect the atmopshere of a small town. Chemicals would have to be spreyed onto an intire town much like how they put out forest fires, you would obviously be able to see it happening. A stream of chemicals at 20,000+ feet would not reach human consumption, or be enough cunsumption  to have deterimintal effects. That is why this conspiriacy is for idiot loons. The best form of cloud seeding today would be exploading nuclear bombs into the atmopshere. Notice how big that actually is, while only effecting people who were near it. You would have to detonate 100s or 1000s of nuclear bombs all over the world for it to have a major effect. That is the size of the clouds we are talking about here and the wind patterns that would carry them.

Volcanoe creation would take an enournous amount of energy. I LOL at people who think humans could create any type of real volcanoe. When you realize how powerful the earth cores and energy of geothermal heat, along with the movement of continental shelfs take an enormous amount of energy. One 1000s of times greater than a nuclear bomb.

This is why cloud cover from an astroid or Volcanoe killed the dinosours. Plants could not grow due to no sun light, in turn that killed the C02 and oxygen levels of the earth. Dinosours couldn't eat dead plants, which killed those populations and the carnavors could not eat them so they died out. During intense cloud cover, you would be freezing during the day, and hot during the night, depending on the earths position to the sun, (EI time of season. ) non the less, all the rest of the CO2 and water vapor would dispearse causing the earth to get colder and colder until these chemicals freeze, causing an ice age. We most likely got out of the ice age by a tremendous amount of heat from the earth over time. This broke the cloud barriers and allowed to the sun to help grow plants again. Once the earth reached sustainable CO2 and oxygen levels, the earth was able to prosper and thrive again. So in this case the sun did increase warming due to help of regainment of C02 in the atmosphere.

Global warming is simply due to the effect of green house gases in the atmopshere. So if you have an abundance of cloud cover with high C02 rates, you would be in a product of global warming.

So my final question is, why would anyone want this to happen to earth, realizing that it would inevitably kill them as well? There is no "winning" or gaining power in the circumstance.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2015, 10:29:09 AM »
There's a point in one's acquisition of knowledge where what you know or believe becomes so ingrained in your personality that you identify with it. To put it simply, it's so much a part of you that to contradict it is a personal insult. It's part of the tribal instinct that allows us to form strong social bonds. In effect, we are chemically and psychological predisposed to cling to our beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence. In fact, the more evidence presented to the contrary, the more we will dig our heels in and argue against it, because it's seen as an attack against "us", ourselves or our group.

People are stupid because they can't overcome the instinct to be stupid.


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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2015, 10:37:23 AM »
Foodbabe?

Is she the Aussie chick who's all about bananas?

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Nope. US chick, Vani Hari. Forced Subway to remove a substance from their bread she claimed was a yoga mat and also believes that pilots replace oxygen in cabin atmosphere with 80% Nitrogen! OMG!

Believes you shouldn't consume chemicals. Many thousands of people have pointed out that Dihydrogen Monoxide is a chemical and we'd all die without it. Expunges any and all opposition from her blogs and Facebook pages. Has a huge following because "Chemicals Bad, Natural and Organic Good" and has been trying to get Starbucks to use only organic milk. Had a major tantrum when asked to show evidence that there was such a thing as inorganic milk.

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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2015, 10:40:37 AM »
Nope. US chick, Vani Hari. Forced Subway to remove a substance from their bread she claimed was a yoga mat and also believes that pilots replace oxygen in cabin atmosphere with 80% Nitrogen! OMG!

Believes you shouldn't consume chemicals. Many thousands of people have pointed out that Dihydrogen Monoxide is a chemical and we'd all die without it. Expunges any and all opposition from her blogs and Facebook pages. Has a huge following because "Chemicals Bad, Natural and Organic Good" and has been trying to get Starbucks to use only organic milk. Had a major tantrum when asked to show evidence that there was such a thing as inorganic milk.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe

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This is how you know these people are F&$king idiots. Chemicals make up everything in chemistry and biology, whether it be natural, organic, or created by humans, they are ALL chemicals.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2015, 11:09:05 AM »
There's a point in one's acquisition of knowledge where what you know or believe becomes so ingrained in your personality that you identify with it. To put it simply, it's so much a part of you that to contradict it is a personal insult. It's part of the tribal instinct that allows us to form strong social bonds. In effect, we are chemically and psychological predisposed to cling to our beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence. In fact, the more evidence presented to the contrary, the more we will dig our heels in and argue against it, because it's seen as an attack against "us", ourselves or our group.

People are stupid because they can't overcome the instinct to be stupid.

Well put, this is why I am always questioning my own beliefs to the point of paralysis.
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Re: How on earth can people be so stupid.
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2015, 11:35:49 AM »
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