TIME TO GO TO WORK

[DREDIOCK]

As I mentioned earlier. There is a time and place for everything. What I like to call "situation appropriate"  There are times when some of the things we might otherwise few as being not very honorable are certainly appropriate.

HOs as one example. In a setting where nothing much else is going on. Not very classy or appropriate on at least the first merge in what is almost certainly going to start. be fought and end in a 1 V 1 situation. Yea you get the thrill of the immediate kill. But its what I consider a trash kill. Nothing was really proven

Same thing with the vulch. Ok you got the kill. You ruined his fun. You got an addon to your stats which is the only real benefit you get. Its yet another trash kill

In either case. Whats that make you? A tough guy? A skilled Pile it? In the case of the vulch. you almost certainly start off with great advantage to begin with and are likely to still have if you let the opponent up.

Also in the second case all you really managed to do is make it less likely that opponent will up again to fight you. Now you're headed home  with one kill or wandering the arena looking for another target. When you might had had a few.

Think about it. And Im sure we've all been there. People end up playing whack a mole on the runway at a field where nobody is trying to capture and after a few vulches. Nobody wants to up anymore. Now you are circling around waiting for something to happen and end up going home. Bored, empty handed, or with only a kill or two.

Well unless you're some kind of massochist.Or you are trying to save a field from capture. Why keep upping if you dont even have a chance of leaving the runway? (to be clear I only consider a vulch a vulch if you have either just spawned or have not yet left the runway. Once you have left the ground you are airborne

In both cases. Sometimes strength isnt the things you can do. But the things you can do and dont. Nothing wrong with doing the honorable thing. by not doing either when you easily could you are saying ot your opponent. "ok lets fight. Lets see what you got." You sacrifice some risk for a test in ability.

I can give an example
 Skyyr has been showing himself being capable of showing honor. Ive seen it first hand and experienced it. A couple of weeks ago I was upping from an airfield. Skyyr was loitering about and at a few thousand feet. I knew he had been in the.  neighborhood and figured it was him.  I upped anyway
Now he could have vulched me at pretty much any point. Even by others more liberal definition of a vulch. But in fact he did not. Maintaining his advantage he waited for me to get away from the field before he pounced. And pounce he did.  managed to get him to overshoot and actually had a good chance at getting a shot on him as he went past and climbed up again. But my aim being what my aim has been lately. My rounds missed. Skyyr being Skyyr. You dont get alot of second chances if you miss. Especially if he has the advantage. This was no exception as he made me pay for that miss by promptly killing me on the next pass.

Now. Did he have advantage? Yes. But he had even greater advantage before hand that he did not take that he easily could have but didnt. And while he didnt let me up and gain any real altitude. He did let me up long enough to at least have something to work with. At least that swinging chance. And that in my view is honorable.

As I was going down I noticed two friendlies upping and going after him. I re upped but returned that show of honor by intentionally not joining in. Last I saw was their dots on the map a sector away over the water.

In such ways respect is earned and reputations are made. Both of which last longer then the momentary fleeting glory of the quick and easy kill.

We can afford to have such honor here because our lives really arent on the line. If anyone wants to insist on playing with that kind of realism in mind then they should do the whole shebang. Ok. The kill is everything. But you only get one life. You die. You log. And Ive actually heard of and seen players who played that way.
If you only get one life then yea. Kill or be killed is the norm. Anything goes.
Since its not that way. There is plenty of room for honor as it even provides you the chance of challenging yourself.

On the other hand. If you are out for a base capture. By all means. The vulch light is on. IRL this would be field suppression. The entire point becomes keeping the enemy from stopping the capture

On HO's If you are in the middle of a 3V1 fight for example and a 4th comes in on your 12:00. By all means  HO away.
Pretty much the same thing with intense furballs though thats up to individual discretion. People just cone in and out of your gun sights too quick to not take the shot sometimes. I just find it hard to be too critical of those types of HOs.
It gets a little grayer in simple multi con engagements. Yyyeeea you can. But do you really need to? Depends.


Situation appropriate. A time and place for everything. A time and place to be a merciless emotionless cold blooded killer. And a time and place where a more honorable approach would be better for both sides in both getting the kill and an honorable death




 

[mikev]

well said DREDIOCK pretty much how i feel . i certainly dont play this game to hate or be angered by anyone although i can tell there are quite a few who play with big egos and their egos grow to massive proportions on ch 200.
  had a pretty good day today meaning i didnt get manhandled and added 9 kills    think the 6 hours of target shooting helped .

[glzsqd]

As I mentioned earlier. There is a time and place for everything. What I like to call "situation appropriate"  There are times when some of the things we might otherwise few as being not very honorable are certainly appropriate.

HOs as one example. In a setting where nothing much else is going on. Not very classy or appropriate on at least the first merge in what is almost certainly going to start. be fought and end in a 1 V 1 situation. Yea you get the thrill of the immediate kill. But its what I consider a trash kill. Nothing was really proven

Same thing with the vulch. Ok you got the kill. You ruined his fun. You got an addon to your stats which is the only real benefit you get. Its yet another trash kill

In either case. Whats that make you? A tough guy? A skilled Pile it? In the case of the vulch. you almost certainly start off with great advantage to begin with and are likely to still have if you let the opponent up.

Also in the second case all you really managed to do is make it less likely that opponent will up again to fight you. Now you're headed home  with one kill or wandering the arena looking for another target. When you might had had a few.

Think about it. And Im sure we've all been there. People end up playing whack a mole on the runway at a field where nobody is trying to capture and after a few vulches. Nobody wants to up anymore. Now you are circling around waiting for something to happen and end up going home. Bored, empty handed, or with only a kill or two.

Well unless you're some kind of massochist.Or you are trying to save a field from capture. Why keep upping if you dont even have a chance of leaving the runway? (to be clear I only consider a vulch a vulch if you have either just spawned or have not yet left the runway. Once you have left the ground you are airborne

In both cases. Sometimes strength isnt the things you can do. But the things you can do and dont. Nothing wrong with doing the honorable thing. by not doing either when you easily could you are saying ot your opponent. "ok lets fight. Lets see what you got." You sacrifice some risk for a test in ability.

I can give an example
 Skyyr has been showing himself being capable of showing honor. Ive seen it first hand and experienced it. A couple of weeks ago I was upping from an airfield. Skyyr was loitering about and at a few thousand feet. I knew he had been in the.  neighborhood and figured it was him.  I upped anyway
Now he could have vulched me at pretty much any point. Even by others more liberal definition of a vulch. But in fact he did not. Maintaining his advantage he waited for me to get away from the field before he pounced. And pounce he did.  managed to get him to overshoot and actually had a good chance at getting a shot on him as he went past and climbed up again. But my aim being what my aim has been lately. My rounds missed. Skyyr being Skyyr. You dont get alot of second chances if you miss. Especially if he has the advantage. This was no exception as he made me pay for that miss by promptly killing me on the next pass.

Now. Did he have advantage? Yes. But he had even greater advantage before hand that he did not take that he easily could have but didnt. And while he didnt let me up and gain any real altitude. He did let me up long enough to at least have something to work with. At least that swinging chance. And that in my view is honorable.

As I was going down I noticed two friendlies upping and going after him. I re upped but returned that show of honor by intentionally not joining in. Last I saw was their dots on the map a sector away over the water.

In such ways respect is earned and reputations are made. Both of which last longer then the momentary fleeting glory of the quick and easy kill.

We can afford to have such honor here because our lives really arent on the line. If anyone wants to insist on playing with that kind of realism in mind then they should do the whole shebang. Ok. The kill is everything. But you only get one life. You die. You log. And Ive actually heard of and seen players who played that way.
If you only get one life then yea. Kill or be killed is the norm. Anything goes.
Since its not that way. There is plenty of room for honor as it even provides you the chance of challenging yourself.

On the other hand. If you are out for a base capture. By all means. The vulch light is on. IRL this would be field suppression. The entire point becomes keeping the enemy from stopping the capture

On HO's If you are in the middle of a 3V1 fight for example and a 4th comes in on your 12:00. By all means  HO away.
Pretty much the same thing with intense furballs though thats up to individual discretion. People just cone in and out of your gun sights too quick to not take the shot sometimes. I just find it hard to be too critical of those types of HOs.
It gets a little grayer in simple multi con engagements. Yyyeeea you can. But do you really need to? Depends.


Situation appropriate. A time and place for everything. A time and place to be a merciless emotionless cold blooded killer. And a time and place where a more honorable approach would be better for both sides in both getting the kill and an honorable death

   

He was probably letting you get away from the runway so he wouldn't have to deal with A. Ack and B. Your friendlies. Thats what I do.

[ISux]

maybe 7 times out of ten i find the ack to be more dangerous to me than the person I'm diving on.

[DREDIOCK]

   

He was probably letting you get away from the runway so he wouldn't have to deal with A. Ack and B. Your friendlies. Thats what I do.

Could be. But Ive seen him ride through ack to get me on landing. And I was still far enough away from ack he could have swooped down sooner.

The trick to going through ack is to go fast and not fly a straight line.

And while He doesn't have the reputation for it. I've also seen him not HO

[mikev]

well took a hard lesson last night in the DA from FBcrabby on e management . while he floated like a feather i fell to the earth like a rock. it made me feel like a toy on self destruct lol.

[morfiend]

Mike,

  As I said,you need to break that bad habit of turning nose down all the time! Also try to remember the ABC's I told you about. Relax and try to fly smooth,you will find you arent stalling the wing so often.



   

PS: anytime you feel like chasing me around,plz feel free to do so.

[ink]

well took a hard lesson last night in the DA from FBcrabby on e management . while he floated like a feather i fell to the earth like a rock. it made me feel like a toy on self destruct lol.

the more you do this the better you will get

[Latrobe]

well took a hard lesson last night in the DA from FBcrabby on e management . while he floated like a feather i fell to the earth like a rock. it made me feel like a toy on self destruct lol.

You got your very own private Crab-boil!!!??? LUCKY!!!!! 



As ink said, the more you do this the better. Find someone better than you, fight them, die to them, ask them how you died, learn, improve, kill your teacher! 

[mikev]

Mike,

  As I said,you need to break that bad habit of turning nose down all the time! Also try to remember the ABC's I told you about. Relax and try to fly smooth,you will find you arent stalling the wing so often.



   

PS: anytime you feel like chasing me around,plz feel free to do so.

you can count on that Morfiend. this is pretty much going to be a full time thing soon, being i get online between 9 to 930 .  I will be gone after next week to visit my 3 grand children so a week away from the game to clear my head lol. hope you dont get tired of drilling me i feel like im at a road block right now and have to work threw it. i have been spending 2 or 3 hours a night target shooting the offline drones just to get my aim better  only wish i could get them to go different directions hehehehe.

  as i said to start this thread i am open to anyone who wants to DA . i dont care if its 20 vs 1 me. if anyone sees me in the MA feel free to challenge, just pm me and as soon as im finished with what i am doing i am there.

I like that Latrobe !!!" Find someone better than you, fight them, die to them, ask them how you died, learn, improve, kill your teacher!".
   kill the teacher hummmm  wouldn't that be magical .

[100Coogn]

Try some offline missions mikev.
They will engage in combat.

Coogan 

[Zoney]

  I hope you dont get tired of drilling me

 

[Oyabun]

hope you dont get tired of drilling me...

[mikev]

well its been a while since i posted this. but last night was the start. kinda got side tracked with vacation and the computer build.
  last night i spent about 40 mins in the TA back to learning how to stall and be a drill bit, but that may be part of wearing off some rust . have to hand it to Morfiend  he makes you think .
 then i ended up in the DA watching Skyrr and rayno32 fight it out . was not what i would of expected from 2 of the top guns in the game.  but i did learn 1 thing from Skyrr and that was the intro to a book by  Robert Shaw on tactics. read about 12 pages and this quote stuck in my mind
" Great pilots are made not born. .. . A man may possess good eyesight,
sensitive hands, and perfect coordination, but the end product is only
fashioned by steady coaching, much practice, and experience"
  so see ya all tonight!!

[TequilaChaser]

  but i did learn 1 thing from Skyrr and that was the intro to a book by  Robert Shaw on tactics. read about 12 pages and this quote stuck in my mind
" Great pilots are made not born. .. . A man may possess good eyesight,
sensitive hands, and perfect coordination, but the end product is only
fashioned by steady coaching, much practice, and experience"
  so see ya all tonight!!

is a great book on SA/BFM/ACM and Mouse wrote it in a way that it works for all types of aircraft, prop driven and jet propelled....  Mouse is Robert Shaw's handle from AW etc... btw......


TC