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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #135 on: July 31, 2015, 01:29:36 PM »
I don't care if they were used in the war 10 times more than any other fighter. They are the most annoying aircraft in the plane set. Ban the LA7!
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #136 on: July 31, 2015, 01:33:35 PM »

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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #137 on: July 31, 2015, 03:15:18 PM »
I don't care if they were used in the war 10 times more than any other fighter. They are the most annoying aircraft in the plane set. Ban the LA7!

And then what? What will become you new "most annoying aircraft in the plane set" ? ;)
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #138 on: July 31, 2015, 03:45:11 PM »
After the Sept 44 combat trials of 30 la7, 462 sortie in 30 days. Below are the numbers for the rest of the war.

The 156th Fighter Air Corps of the 4th Air Army was the next unit to receive the La-7 in October 1944. At one point during the month, they had fourteen aircraft simultaneously unserviceable with engine failures.[7] By 1 January 1945 there were 398 La-7s in front-line service of which 107 were unserviceable.[9] By 9 May 1945 this had increased to 967 aircraft, of which only 169 were unserviceable.[10] For the invasion of Japanese Manchuria, 313 La-7s were assigned and only 28 of these were unserviceable on 9 August 1945.[11]

Because of the superior performance of the La7, on the western front, the 1000 or so that were ever able to fly in combat, were heavily flown to engage the Germans at a time everything was heavily flown by the Russians to destroy Germany. There was never numbers like the La5 available for combat.

Consider that from 1941-45, 2591 La5 of all types were lost in combat versus the 1365 La7 available that were assigned to combat against Germany then Japan. Around 9000 La5 were produced. I would give the title of heavily used to the La5.
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #139 on: July 31, 2015, 03:58:17 PM »
Well, lets imagine that in academic circles (among history scholars and so on) someone would suggest that La-7 (no, not the earlier variants incuded but La-7 as a variant itself) would be considered as "the most used fighters of the war", he would be considered "the willage idiot" and rightly so. Of course, "most used" is a very subjective term but I'd wager that the above would the opinion of most the people who have studied WWII air war. But I'm sure Skyyr runs here and tells us that the aircraft he considers are the "most used" is as long as John Homes'  (or in delusion, his) member. :D
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #140 on: July 31, 2015, 03:58:51 PM »
After the Sept 44 combat trials of 30 la7, 462 sortie in 30 days. Below are the numbers for the rest of the war.

The 156th Fighter Air Corps of the 4th Air Army was the next unit to receive the La-7 in October 1944. At one point during the month, they had fourteen aircraft simultaneously unserviceable with engine failures.[7] By 1 January 1945 there were 398 La-7s in front-line service of which 107 were unserviceable.[9] By 9 May 1945 this had increased to 967 aircraft, of which only 169 were unserviceable.[10] For the invasion of Japanese Manchuria, 313 La-7s were assigned and only 28 of these were unserviceable on 9 August 1945.[11]

Because of the superior performance of the La7, on the western front, the 1000 or so that were ever able to fly in combat, were heavily flown to engage the Germans at a time everything was heavily flown by the Russians to destroy Germany. There was never numbers like the La5 available for combat.

Consider that from 1941-45, 2591 La5 of all types were lost in combat versus the 1365 La7 available that were assigned to combat against Germany then Japan. Around 9000 La5 were produced. I would give the title of heavily used to the La5.

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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #141 on: July 31, 2015, 04:52:41 PM »
The LA-7 was certainly a major combat type that did see significant service in the last year of the war. Of course its #s are not going to be what the earlier LA-5 was. Does it belong in AH2? absolutely. Its a late war fighter just as the Spit XIV, Dora, 109K-4, F4U-4, P-47M, N1K2 and Ki-84 (and others) are late war fighters.
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #142 on: July 31, 2015, 05:19:33 PM »
The LA-7 was certainly a major combat type that did see significant service in the last year of the war. Of course its #s are not going to be what the earlier LA-5 was. Does it belong in AH2? absolutely. Its a late war fighter just as the Spit XIV, Dora, 109K-4, F4U-4, P-47M, N1K2 and Ki-84 (and others) are late war fighters.

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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #143 on: July 31, 2015, 07:49:49 PM »
The La-7 did contribute to a good extent, the question is if AH should have the mostly flown variant as default (2-gun version) or the much lesser used 50% more lethal 3-gun version.

What I and many with me would like to : is separate them into 2 different versions, much what has been done with P47M, and do a light perked version out of the 3-gun version that was rare in comparison of it's sister 2-gun version (with same weight).

It would still keep it's very competitive performance as an un-perked plane in it's 2-gun version but 50% less lethal, but with longer clip.

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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #144 on: July 31, 2015, 09:12:01 PM »
A perked ords/gun package system would be cool.
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #145 on: July 31, 2015, 09:53:22 PM »
What I and many with me would like to : is separate them into 2 different versions...

Why?

The fact that it was rare is irrelevant. The MA is not a WWII reenactment. It is not supposed to be a historical representation of WWII. It's air quake with WWII aircraft and vehicles, nothing more.
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #146 on: July 31, 2015, 10:41:52 PM »
I feel that the LA7 in game is a little too good and the LA5FN not as good as it was.

Thier performance should be a bit closer to together than it currently is.

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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #147 on: July 31, 2015, 10:46:25 PM »
Can you back up what you "feel" with something more relevant, like actual performance numbers?
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #148 on: August 01, 2015, 02:25:42 AM »
I feel that the LA7 in game is a little too good and the LA5FN not as good as it was.

Thier performance should be a bit closer to together than it currently is.

Do you have data to back your 'opinion' up?

As far as the usually mentioned two most important metric for fighters goes, the speed and climb rate, both La-5FN and the La-7 in game hit their respective IRL data sets.
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Re: LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH
« Reply #149 on: August 01, 2015, 05:19:44 PM »
Its fair to have the most used version,and another version with another ENY/PERK? - 50% more firepower is quite a lot.
Since the planes where different they should be separated. Noone fly the LA-7 with 2 guns since its performance is same as 3 -gun version.

Previous selections /  PERK / ENY have been done for usage / performance- Fire-power, so why do the latest, with lower usage, and best guns with zero penalty for 50% more fire-power, else why have the 1c perked with 4 Hispanos and not same plane with 6 .50's?



Why?

The fact that it was rare is irrelevant. The MA is not a WWII reenactment. It is not supposed to be a historical representation of WWII. It's air quake with WWII aircraft and vehicles, nothing more.
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