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Offline JVboob

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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2015, 02:43:41 AM »
I wouldnt mind it replacing the F117, but thats it.

The Falcon, Eagle, Hog, Hornet no dont agree at all with it.

Raptor is in for a long while still. I think the throw-a-way plane that has made a name for its self and proven its selft time and time again (F-16) should stay as well. The Navy/USMC needs more than the Hornet, its covering all the bases (almost).

We need a flying BB. That could float around and defend its self, launch cruise missiles and helos. Itd be armed with SAMs, 155mm cannons, (on the lower half) and that automated missile defence gun (thats on the ships these days) on top and bottom. One big flying USS Missouri mixed with a CV.  :x we can only dream lol
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2015, 11:00:01 AM »
Quote from: PR3D4TOR on July 03, 2015, 03:52:37 AM
As trollish arguments go, your's excellent!  :aok

Yeah, what would Eagl know about military aviation?!
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2015, 11:03:15 AM »
Why are you against the F-35 replacing the Falcon and Hornet? The F-22 is the Eagle's replacement not the F-35.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2015, 11:04:25 AM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 04, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
Yeah, what would Eagl know about military aviation?!

Does that exclude him being trollish? Obviously not.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2015, 11:13:34 AM »
Quote from: Nath[BDP] on July 03, 2015, 12:00:16 PM
Can the F35 just turn its stealth on and run away.  haha.  POS.

Answer. Yes. (Yeah, I know, old photo)

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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2015, 12:40:17 PM »
I wouldn't want to fight against this thing in anything other than a F-22.

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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2015, 02:29:38 PM »
Quote from: PR3D4TOR on July 04, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
I wouldn't want to fight against this thing in anything other than a F-22.

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It will never get off the ground!

You know that when a plane needs to carry 14 missles it means it needs to compensate for something.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2015, 02:53:48 PM »
And it will no longer be a stealth fighter...
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2015, 02:20:11 AM »
Quote from: PR3D4TOR on July 04, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
I wouldn't want to fight against this thing in anything other than a F-22.

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Actually this image shows what is wrong with this plane:

If you take all these missiles - as everybody would detect you (not stealth anymore) and than either be able to cook you in BVR or in VVR combat.

If you can't get kill on F-35 in BVR, just take a decent DRFM pod and go into VVR merge. Note: AMRAAM uses mechanically driven radar - basically easy to cope with using DRFM. Even Russia produce ECM pods that can handle AMRAAM.

Once again if you got into VVR it is cooked by legacy F-16 without dropping his external tanks.

If it goes from stealthy BVR mode than either it shoots his AMRAAMs from long range that are jammed by any decent pod and actually allow you to detect were you come from. And once you in VVR with F-35 without any decent short range missile once again F-35 is cooked.


So looking at this picture... what plane I think would be able to take over F-35...

I think even this:



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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2015, 02:40:35 AM »
Artik,
In that configuration it intends to act as a flying SAM battery and make full use of its radar and network with formation members. As you said it gives up stealth, but hopes that superior avionics will give some advantage in BVR. This is fine if you lob missiles at 50+ miles and turn around and run away to keep a stand-off engagement. Probably useful in US doctrine, but useless in many other cases.


Upgraded 4th generation fighters could do it better for a fraction of the cost. The F35 has little to offer in air superiority. It is only in attack roles that it brings something new to the table.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2015, 02:58:12 AM »
It still doesnt bring much IMO nothing the 4th gens cant do exceedingly well and at a better cost.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2015, 09:33:18 AM »
Quote from: bozon on July 05, 2015, 02:40:35 AM
Artik,
In that configuration it intends to act as a flying SAM battery and make full use of its radar and network with formation members. As you said it gives up stealth, but hopes that superior avionics will give some advantage in BVR. This is fine if you lob missiles at 50+ miles and turn around and run away to keep a stand-off engagement. Probably useful in US doctrine, but useless in many other cases.


Upgraded 4th generation fighters could do it better for a fraction of the cost. The F35 has little to offer in air superiority. It is only in attack roles that it brings something new to the table.

And of course there's the small matter of US military doctrine requiring visual identification before engaging...
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2015, 11:33:14 AM »
The F-35 can visually identify targets at BVR ranges using the DAS optical system. Back in the day the F-14 could also visually identify targets at up to 60 miles using its AAX-1 TV camera slaved to the radar.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2015, 11:53:59 AM »
But with other fighters capable of launching their AAM without use of any radar on the launching plane or the missile itself, like the Meteor, The F-35 still can be in a disadvantageous position. Its not helping if only radar u pick up is a ground station or an AEW that relays its signal to a fighter.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2015, 12:15:13 PM »
The F-35 can do the same with its AMRAAMs and AWACS support. An F-22 will do as AWACS in a pinch. The DAS is an optical IR imaging system. It doesn't rely on anyone's radar. Also the F-35 with external stores still has a significantly reduced radar cross section compared to conventional fighters. It just isn't an invisible ghost plane anymore.
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