Author Topic: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public  (Read 13272 times)

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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2015, 12:30:21 PM »
I would say that "ten-signs-the-f-35-fighter-program-is-becoming-a-smashing-success" is pretty much a sensationalist headline....

There are a number of sensationalistic opinions in that piece as well.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2015, 12:40:42 PM »
In my opinion it is not sensationalistic to write something to the effect of: "It's working as intended. Everything is OK. Nothing to see here. Don't worry, everything's going to be fine." That is the opposite of sensationalism.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #137 on: July 24, 2015, 12:48:14 PM »
Lol. opinions is what this is all about. u have your opinion too.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2015, 12:51:33 PM »
About sensationalism, you're damn right I do. I work in multimedia marketing. After a while in this line of work the tricks of the trade become so obvious that they almost pop out of the screen in every news article I read.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #139 on: July 24, 2015, 12:57:27 PM »
Sorry but u have to accept critical opinions and article, even the bad ones. Thats how its works unless u want to do some major cutbacks in freedom and democracy.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #140 on: July 24, 2015, 01:03:14 PM »
In what way do I need to accept it? I dismiss most or all opinions and conclusions not based on solid, verifiable facts. Don't overestimate the individual's power in a democracy. Despite all the bad press and controversy the F-35 program has survived three Presidents so far.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #141 on: July 24, 2015, 01:15:53 PM »
US have no option but to go on with the F-35, that is however not true for the European countries. It takes less than u realize before the F-35 can be ditched over here.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #142 on: July 24, 2015, 01:17:35 PM »
That is just another opinion not based on solid, verifiable facts that I summarily dismiss.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #143 on: July 24, 2015, 01:22:26 PM »
In my opinion it is not sensationalistic to write something to the effect of: "It's working as intended. Everything is OK. Nothing to see here. Don't worry, everything's going to be fine." That is the opposite of sensationalism.

That is not what was said, but an extrapolation of what was said i.e. your opinion of what was said.  Not saying it is an incorrect opinion, just that it is an opinion.

Had that been what was actually said, then I would agree, there was nothing sensationalistic about it.

The excessive use of superlatives, in that article, had me giggling a minute or two as those were the writers overstated opinions.

One could purge the sensationalistic verbage and be left with a decent article which would read much more objectively.  Of course, that is also my opinion.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #144 on: July 24, 2015, 01:30:45 PM »
See Rules #4, #14
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #145 on: July 24, 2015, 01:37:10 PM »
The main point is perhaps that at this time every conclusion written by a journalist about the F-35 is just an uninformed opinion or speculation. No journalist has access to the information necessary to write an article that comes anywhere close to fulfilling the canons of journalistic integrity.

I reserve my opinion on the F-35 for that reason, but I cannot ignore the fact that all the pilots involved with the F-35 that I have seen interviewed are all positive and praise it. To me that's a clear indication that at least some of the bad press is unfounded.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #146 on: July 24, 2015, 04:39:58 PM »
The excessive use of superlatives, in that article, had me giggling a minute or two as those were the writers overstated opinions.

One could purge the sensationalistic verbage and be left with a decent article which would read much more objectively.  Of course, that is also my opinion.

Btw. Skuzzy, yes the author of that article is clearly biased in favor of the F-35, and to his credit he admits it: "I have an emotional attachment to the F-35 because I have worked with many of the companies that build it, including prime contractor Lockheed Martin, for much of my adult life..."

Clear and obvious editorial bias and "excessive use of superlatives" as you put it does not make it sensationalist. Sensationalism is provoking shock, excitement or outrage to generate more viewership at the expense of accuracy. The author is not doing that, but is providing an admittedly biased counter view to the wealth of sensationalist negative press.

I do not find that article shocking or outrageous. It should not be very exiting either unless you own LM stock.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2015, 06:19:18 PM »
Aerodynamics, avionics, and armament.  It appears this plane traded aerodynamics and armament for avionics.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #148 on: July 24, 2015, 08:22:51 PM »
If you count stealth as avionics. Armament however is flexible. It can trade armament for stealth and vice versa. According to the publicized specs, in full bomb-truck mode it can carry more ord than a Super Hornet. 18,000 lbs.
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Re: Report of F35A vs F16Cblk40 goes public
« Reply #149 on: July 24, 2015, 08:37:02 PM »
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