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[Scca]

My wife hates it when I use the C word or the S...

See Forum Posting Rule #8 for sure, and maybe even #7, too:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html

   

Well said (as he violates Rule #5)

Wait, wut...

[molybdenum]

And it's not necessarily confined to new players. Almost daily, I hear on range, and read on country channel the same things Snailman refers to here...being put forth by vets who've been around long enough to know better.

Agreed there's far too much paranoia about spies and spying in the game, I wasn't suggesting we add to it by half-cocked accusations. But there are times when the spies give themselves away, either by talking or typing where others can intercept their meant-to-be private communications, or (as in one recent case) by sharing their spyness with a teammate who is rightfully disgusted by such conduct and makes the association public. Under clear-cut circumstances such as those the information ought to be made known to the team affected by it, both for protection purposes and to discourage the spy from future bad behavior.

[jeep00]

The spies in this game are far, FAR less impactful on game play than the accusers and the ones who say they know for a fact.

[FESS]

I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.

Quit worrying about spies.  Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight.  You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat.  The game was surely built for that purpose!!??

I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend.  The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases.  Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.

NOT my idea of fun.  I say promote the fight.  Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs.  2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?

I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that.  Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.

[drmoo]

he got kicked out of his squad and changed name pretended to be noob but his voice gave him away every name change and his old squadys called him out every time feelings hurt for sure

[DmonSlyr]

I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.

Quit worrying about spies.  Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight.  You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat.  The game was surely built for that purpose!!??

I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend.  The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases.  Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.

NOT my idea of fun.  I say promote the fight.  Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs.  2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?

I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that.  Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.

I agree, wouldn't want to actually fight anyone with invincible lives in an online war game. Sheesh. It's about the tactics the squad uses and the teamwork. That in itself would beat any spy and their defensive measures.

[molybdenum]

I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.

Quit worrying about spies.  Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight.  You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat.  The game was surely built for that purpose!!??

I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend.  The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases.  Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.

NOT my idea of fun.  I say promote the fight.  Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs.  2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?

I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that.  Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.

We have a difference of perspective. Yes, the fight, the teamwork etc are part of what make the game fun. But my goal when I play is to accomplish things for my team (usually bish) and a fight will naturally develop out of that. Having a fighter waiting at alt for my lancs because a spy gave him info really sucks. I spent the better part of an hour getting in position and someone's waiting for me who otherwise wouldn't be? My time's been wasted and my chances of surviving the fight--or even making a decent battle out of it--are minimal. How is this in any sense a good thing for anyone except the guy (and team) with the inside information?

Having said all that, the above scenario rarely happens to me--I think spies are more focused on missions than individuals, and even then (as I think Lusche said) busted missions are very much more likely due to legitimate game play by the opponent instead of spying. But it's the unfair advantage that's not cool, however and whenever used, and is detrimental to the game.

[Wiley]

I spent the better part of an hour getting in position and someone's waiting for me who otherwise wouldn't be?

So if he happened to luck into you, that would be ok?  There's no difference in gameplay.  Why do you make an issue of it if you don't like the reason why he's there?

Wiley.

[DubiousKB]

I've taken up fighters and simply "loitered" over what I thought to be a targeted base or area. Not because I had a second account spying or information from another country, but because I wanted to "catch incoming buffs".

The only way i could do that is, very much like bomber pilots, was to spend the time to get to altitude and search potential incoming dar bars visually.

It is unfortunate when game circumstances put you on the Sh*t end of the stick.  But that doesn't mean someone cheated for that to happen everytime, despite what we all believe at times... 

I love hearing the whines from Lancaster pilots; I took a barely defended bomber with the most ords in the hanger up and someone slaughtered me at an altitude i thought was safe... take a B17 next time and gun the pesky fighter out of the air!  Get some fighter support....


The bottom line is that if someone is willing to pay extra (by having a second or third account on the opposing countries), it's their choice and knowing "where the action is" is their reward.  Real money folks... real money.

It sure would be nice to limit spying as it is one of this game's elements that leaves a really bad taste in subscribers mouths... Bad enough to push them away from the game... So you're extra account or two doesn't make up for the subscribers you're driving away from the game bub... 

[Zoney]

I'm an unapologetic alt monkey.

I was a weapons tech in the Air force.  My job was to have friendly fighters in place when the enemies came in to my airspace and vector them in for a kill.  The "plotting boards" I saw and used in the Air Force were very much like the map that shows dar bars and dar "blips".

Im sitting at 35k in my TA152 in the cat birds seat.  I've got enough alt to be able to descend and intercept you the moment I find you to be in an acceptable range for me to defend.  that area is about 10 square sectors on the map.  On many maps that can be the entire front for your country.

I am far away from the best fighter pilot in the game.  What I do have, and you can ask my squaddies about this, is INFINITE PATIENCE, and the skill set to kill all 3 of your buffs before you drop. 

3 things will save you.

1.) Really really good gunnery that can damage me before I kill all 3 of your buffs.

2.) Pretty good fighter escorts that will take away my advantages.

3.) Luck

Don't rely on the third,  go to the second whenever possible,  keep flying and develop the first.

I would never use spy information to play against you even if I could.  That is not fair.

[Getback]

Only about every knight saw that noe.

In fact it was obvious I thought it was a decoy.

[guncrasher]

When I was with the C-Hawks, I remember I was being chased by 2 cons, I was low on fuel and running home with 6 or 7 kills.  I asked a squadie to come up from this certain base and meet me 1/2 way so i could get away.  anybody that knows me, well knows how well I give directions.  I asked for him to take off and heading straight SE about a sector away.  actually i was SW 1 sector away.  He flew for a sector before mentioned to me that there was no green icon in that sector at all, that's when I looked at the map.  then he proceeded to say that there was an noe mission right under him heading south to a base 2 sectors away.

as I was approaching the friendly base 2 guys were taking off, I told them about the noe, I forgot I had kills so all of us promptly bailed and upped from the target base.  3 or 4 other guys also came the noe mission probably flew for 5 or 6 sectors and didnt even make it to town.  oh the claims of spying were strong, but it was all due to my sense of direction .



semp

[icepac]

I often fly fighters noe going very slow to the middle of nowhere and often am intercepted.

Then I  shoot them down.

Spying does occur but it's more a "friendly" who has an axe to grind vectoring enemy to you than anything else.

I downed a HQ and flew my lancasters way out of flashing range in the opposite direction of "home" and landed 3 sectors from the nearest base, and went AFK for about an hour.

I came back and was preparing to take back off when I got into an argument with a friendly who sailed every cv into an enemy PT spawn and suddenly a dar bar appeared 3 sectors away and beelined toward my landed Lancaster......which he found and shot down without performing any sort of search pattern.

Yes, there are spies who's intent is to diminish other player's experience.

These are the kind of guys the sim doesn't need.

[kvuo75]

I often fly fighters noe going very slow to the middle of nowhere and often am intercepted.

Then I  shoot them down.

Spying does occur but it's more a "friendly" who has an axe to grind vectoring enemy to you than anything else.

I downed a HQ and flew my lancasters way out of flashing range in the opposite direction of "home" and landed 3 sectors from the nearest base, and went AFK for about an hour.

I came back and was preparing to take back off when I got into an argument with a friendly who sailed every cv into an enemy PT spawn and suddenly a dar bar appeared 3 sectors away and beelined toward my landed Lancaster......which he found and shot down without performing any sort of search pattern.

Yes, there are spies who's intent is to diminish other player's experience.

These are the kind of guys the sim doesn't need.

hang on a sec.. your experience was diminshed while sitting on the ground in a lanc? for an hour? 3 sectors from any base?

 

 

[Lusche]