New guys - do we welcome them?

[Scca]

Until the players, aka community, decides that it's not kosher to chide new players, the problem won't go away.  The "alt-f4" crowd will never go away, but the squad CO's can help control that. Of course, some of the worst offenders ARE CO's.

[FLOOB]

I'm not condoning bad treatment of new players. But have you guys played other online pvp games? Comparably, AH is a pretty civil atmosphere for noobs.

[Triton28]

I'm not condoning bad treatment of new players. But have you guys played other online pvp games? Comparably, AH is a pretty civil atmosphere for noobs.

I'd wager most who think we're all jerks to the new guys haven't, which is why they think we're so bad here.  Pick an ARMA 3 mod and start asking questions when you first arrive.  There's usually no mods so it gets brutal quick.  Even when it's people on the same side it's not guaranteed to get all the help you want by asking.  People are expected to hash some things out on their own. 

[Scca]

I'm not condoning bad treatment of new players. But have you guys played other online pvp games? Comparably, AH is a pretty civil atmosphere for noobs.

An example of the atmosphere of acceptance I was referring to. "It's not that bad, man up".  SMH

[glzsqd]

When I first started nearly 3 years ago the community was very helpful and informative. I remember all the WTG's I got when I announced my very first Assists/kills/multi-kill sorties. *Shot at a lanc and than augered while my wingman finished him off* "Great work Glzzsqd!"

[Someguy63]

When I first started nearly 3 years ago the community was very helpful and informative. I remember all the WTG's I got when I announced my very first Assists/kills/multi-kill sorties. *Shot at a lanc and than augered while my wingman finished him off* "Great work Glzzsqd!"

I have a weird time trying to help out new people. Yesterday there was a guy I had just downed, and Ive never seen his name, I look at his score and it's zero, so he literally just started. I PM him asking if he's new and I even tell him how to respond so I could help. No response. I decide not to push anymore.

Last time I did this the guy told me to stfu and stop trolling; turns out he'd been in game two to three years.

[Wiley]

An example of the atmosphere of acceptance I was referring to. "It's not that bad, man up".  SMH

And the alternative is moderating channels and coming down on paying customers for not being nice enough.  This takes time, effort, and will never be applied fairly in the eyes of some people.  Just look now at how much crying goes on about "So and so said X on 200 and didn't get muted!  I said Y and got muted!" crap.  Step up enforcement, and that will only increase, and the cries of "Help!  I'm being oppressed!" would be deafening.

Either way you're going to lose people, whether it is newbies that leave or the "mean people" that leave because their freedoms are being infringed.  Which way would be better is debatable.

This place is a helluva lot more civil than the vast majority of open PVP games I've seen.

I'm not a huge fan of moderation, but on the other hand I really don't enjoy hearing the political and religious opinions of everybody I'm online with ad nauseum either.  Less moderation, better squelch capabilities really seems to be my favorite combination.

Wiley.

[Triton28]

I have a weird time trying to help out new people. Yesterday there was a guy I had just downed, and Ive never seen his name, I look at his score and it's zero, so he literally just started. I PM him asking if he's new and I even tell him how to respond so I could help. No response. I decide not to push anymore.

Last time I did this the guy told me to stfu and stop trolling; turns out he'd been in game two to three years.

And there's always this.  PM'ing someone offering advice can come across as a total jerk move if you're not being real polite and sheepish about it, which takes time because you've got to explain in detail that you're not trying to be a jerk and you really don't think you're God's gift to online aerial combat.  Quite honestly it's not worth the trouble.

I bet most have or would answer direct questions from newbs though.  Maybe even go further in depth if needed.  I remember losing to AckAck 38 vs. 38 when I was new and trying to learn the plane... I thought about it real quick, PM'ed him a direct question about what just happened, he literally responded, "cc", I had my answer and moved on.  Quick and easy... he helped me but I didn't expect him to hold my hand or initiate the conversation.

[Tumor]

Help if ya want.  Be nice if ya want.  If not, do what you want.

Either way, "moderators" universally suck.  It's been demonstrated time and again.

Got a problem, use the "report" function.  IMO, mods should stfu with the warnings and simply take action when warranted, AND be ready for consequences when they step out of line. 

Why not publish a simple policy?  I got $100 that say's Skuzzy can come up with a wirty dord list in a flash, along with a subject matter policy (is there one?  I haven't seen it).  Then loose the "mods".   I'd rather a 5min mute that I've read about, than some tard moderator asking nicely that I watch my language.

Got a problem with the banter.... don't freekin tune.  Designate you're own channel... Avert your eyes!  WHATEVER

This is a game, and should be treated as such without injecting any more complexity than absolutely required.

Yes, we "should" help out new players.  Easy answer.  It's not rocket science.

[Wiley]

Why not publish a simple policy?  I got $100 that say's Skuzzy can come up with a wirty dord list in a flash, along with a subject matter policy (is there one?  I haven't seen it). 

And then the armchair lawyers run right up to it without stepping over the line, and whine about it not being explicitly stated in the rules when they get muted.

Agree in general with the rest of your post though.

Wiley.

[FLOOB]

An example of the atmosphere of acceptance I was referring to. "It's not that bad, man up".  SMH

No. If you're going to paraphrase a quote please do it correctly. I said I'm not condoning the bad treatment of new players.

con·done
kənˈdōn/
verb
accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

[Zoney]

Either way, "moderators" universally suck.  It's been demonstrated time and again.

I'd love to see where this has been demonstrated sir.

[/quote]

I'd rather a 5min mute that I've read about, than some tard moderator asking nicely that I watch my language.

[/quote]

I'm only guessing but I think there is a distinct possibility just from this statement that your attitude is the problem, not the mods.

I fail to see how this has anything to do with helping newbies.

[Scca]

No. If you're going to paraphrase a quote please do it correctly. I said I'm not condoning the bad treatment of new players.

con·done
kənˈdōn/
verb
accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

My bad, misread 

[JimmyD3]

lol.  what new players?

Dang, who pulled your string?

[Tumor]

And then the armchair lawyers run right up to it without stepping over the line, and whine about it not being explicitly stated in the rules when they get muted.

Wiley.

Whining about being muted would be included in said policy, resulting in 1hr mute.  F'em.