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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #375 on: October 13, 2015, 10:03:21 AM »
I'm sorry but that's nonsense.


Draw out a graph and look at it yourself. If you think Businsess Owners who don't give back to the zone economy by providing jobs or livable wages is doing anything to benefit the zone economy than you have the wrong idea. The ONLY thing it benefits is the business owner, which is great for them, but eventually you can only cut margins and expenses so much while your revenue ends up stagnating because people don't have the money to spend on your goods. Once this happens on a large enough scale, it starts to make a damaging impact to the health of the economy.

If you can't see the flow of goods and flow of cash through the market declining, than you are obviously arrogant and need to read some news articles based in the year 2015, because your idea of a Chineaee trade free market is killing this country. 
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #376 on: October 13, 2015, 10:17:30 AM »
Speaking of Einstein!
Meet Dr. Freeman Dyson

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #377 on: October 13, 2015, 10:36:27 AM »
Here is one study you can read comparing our opportunity in America from 1970-2014, and gives examples of how our job market is vastly different today than it was before.

This is a study not an article.
http://opportunitynation.org/app/uploads/2014/06/Opportunity-Nation-2014-Historical-Report1.pdf

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #378 on: October 13, 2015, 10:58:09 AM »
Yup, its going to be a tough road.  All we have is freedom, intellectual rights, and the dollar.  Don't screw it up.  :old:

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #379 on: October 13, 2015, 11:21:24 AM »

 you are obviously arrogant and need to read some news articles based in the year 2015, because your idea of a Chineaee trade free market is killing this country.

When you only have insults it's a clear sign that you don't have a valid argument, just a second hand belief you can't justify with facts. 

Good luck finding an economically literate news story.   :D

 

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« Reply #380 on: October 13, 2015, 11:46:55 AM »
When you only have insults it's a clear sign that you don't have a valid argument, just a second hand belief you can't justify with facts. 

Good luck finding an economically literate news story.   :D


Ohh, I see, you can insult me by saying my statements are nonsense but don't expect to get slapped back?? Cmon now. 

Ohh, and I posted a valid study from 2014.

Your argument is based on life between 1960 and 1990. Our economy has drastically changed since then, and you'd know that if you payed attention to studies that are actually relevant instead of basing your argument on how society use to be by your logic.

The older generation must have forgot about something called the time value of money and don't realize that the middle/lower class is falling behind majorly in this country because of it.

Go ahead FLS, I dare you to research some statistics.


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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #381 on: October 13, 2015, 11:56:37 AM »
I didn't insult you. I said your statements that I quoted were nonsense. I'm sorry you don't know the difference.

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« Reply #382 on: October 13, 2015, 12:05:50 PM »
You cannot say something is nonsense without providing an explanation as to why.  I've provided viable arguments unlike you have, besides your cheap price/cheap quality  arguments which won't hold water in the long run. Prices will have to increase inevitably and that is already happening.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #383 on: October 13, 2015, 12:23:48 PM »
Economics is the study of human decision making. It doesn't change with the times.

You keep making up stuff I never said. Why is that?   :D

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« Reply #384 on: October 13, 2015, 12:48:29 PM »
Economics is the study of human decision making. It doesn't change with the times.

You keep making up stuff I never said. Why is that?   :D


The truth is, I have not seen you post anything factual whatsoever. 



[/size]Economics is the study of human decision making. It doesn't change with the times."

While you clearly think this is an incredible intelligent thing to say, it makes no sense.  It is vague and carries no value.  Maybe you can elaborate and define the statement.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #385 on: October 13, 2015, 01:00:16 PM »
Economics is the study of human decision making. It doesn't change with the times.

You keep making up stuff I never said. Why is that?   :D

No, that is the study of philosophy, psychology, and sociology.

Economics is the study of money flow and distribution. 

That might be half your problem, you have the wrong understanding of what economics really means. Econimics is fundamental and always comes down to the money sign. If you allocate money one direction for a certain amount of time you can record the changes it makes over time. Econimics flows in a chain reaction, if economies are overvalued they get corrected because people cannot afford products and prices must drop, if economies are undervalued, either you have to increase the money distribution to other areas or you have to make monitary sacrifices to adjust in order to gain prosperity in the long run. If you cannot do that, the economy will fail.

China is cheap, has low standards and is undervalued, they built their economy by stealing our production and workfroce for cheap. That in turn increases the value of their economy becsuse more money is being allocated to their markets. This causes the other market to lose value now because the money that was flowing inside that market has now shifted toward an outside economy. If you take money out of one economy and put it in another, you allocate the money out of the original market flow.

Greece failed because they do not have a proper money flow. They could not steal labor and productivity from the markets so they had to take out loans in order to fix their money flow. Their businesses dont make enough money, are taxed too high, and tax allocation is not directed properly, therefore they fail.

Business owners in America make up a very small portion of the population but do make over 400% more than the average middle class worker.  If those business owners don't allocate the money correctly and intern reap higher % every year, instead of giving a % back in raises, than how do we expect to grow as a healthy nation?  How do those businesses expect peolple to buy their products if they have to raise prices? 15 people with all the money doesn't make society a better place, they don't have the spending power that 250,000,000 other Americans have. This is why some nations are very wealthy while their people are poor as hell. The Government takes their money in taxes and gives nothing back.  If you allocate the money better to 250M people, they will have more to spend and more to own, thus making the zone economy prosperable. The only way to do this is to pay Americans more and bring back the working class industry to America.  These are sacrifices American business owners have to make if we want to see a happier and more prosperous society.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #386 on: October 13, 2015, 01:15:16 PM »
The other HALF of economics theory's is the customer.  If he can't or won't buy a product the bussines owner  :rofl gets nothing.  Your problems can be aided by a intelegent customer that tries to help the situation.  Want a tip. Only by from people you know, exploit the system for fast cash at a nice job, get off the grid and ride a bike.  Answers not theory talk please.  :airplane:

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #387 on: October 13, 2015, 02:24:45 PM »
No, that is the study of philosophy, psychology, and sociology.

Economics is the study of money flow and distribution. 



No. Economics is a social science. It includes finance but it has a broader scope.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #388 on: October 13, 2015, 02:33:53 PM »

The truth is, I have not seen you post anything factual whatsoever. 


Keep trying.

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« Reply #389 on: October 13, 2015, 02:54:52 PM »
No. Economics is a social science. It includes finance but it has a broader scope.

No, it is absolutely not a social science. Social science deals with thoughts and ideologies of PEOPLE.

Economics deals with supply and demand through monitary formulas and mathematics. Finance plays a huge part in economics, it explains debt and the reason for it. It explains how people are able to purchase large expensive houses and cars. It explains how bonds and stocks work. If people do not have the funds to finance a car or a home mortgage, this affects the economy negatively (2009). When you do one thing, it effects the other. If you give people loans they do not have the means to pay back, it effects the economy (watch what happens in the next 5 years with Student Loans).
 
Economics is a very important concept that either gives countries sustainability, growth, prosperity and so on, or it gives greedy government officials and greedy CEOs way more money than they should be making instead of allocating the funds back to their workforce or society. If these become lopsided, you get economies like China or Greece, where people work like slaves and have little to show for it because the Gment takes most of their earnings in taxes while not allocating it effectively. This is why some socialist countries are wealthy and some are poor. If large money holders are not responsible in allocating the money to a certain standard, it has a huge effect on the spending power of their countries.  And like natcigg said, if you have a society full of people who wish they could be customers, but cant, even when working full time, the business fails and intern the market follows them.

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