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Offline Zimme83

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #330 on: October 11, 2015, 02:41:47 PM »
No honey, I said IF. Not that it did.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #331 on: October 11, 2015, 03:14:58 PM »
No honey, I said IF. Not that it did.

That's correct. You said "if it takes 10-20 years its a different matter" and that's what I responded to.


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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #332 on: October 11, 2015, 03:22:21 PM »
doesn't the human being breathe in O2 and exhale CO2?
Would this be an excuse for genocide?
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #333 on: October 11, 2015, 03:27:07 PM »
doesn't the human being breathe in O2 and exhale CO2?
Would this be an excuse for genocide?
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That would be completley irrelevant.

That's correct. You said "if it takes 10-20 years its a different matter" and that's what I responded to.



I will still bet my money on the scientists.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #334 on: October 11, 2015, 03:52:57 PM »
I will still bet my money on the scientists.

Good idea. That gives you a wide range of choices.  :aok

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #335 on: October 11, 2015, 04:00:33 PM »
Yes and no. If you concidered all other factors like global economic development, need for energy etc. the choice is quite simple. But its a different story...
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #336 on: October 11, 2015, 04:24:02 PM »
I say lets leave it up to HT.  He's got a young family and supposedly always has the data we don't.  I'm sure he can squeeze in global warning while working on the new graphics engine.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #337 on: October 11, 2015, 05:53:09 PM »
Yes and no. If you concidered all other factors like global economic development, need for energy etc. the choice is quite simple. But its a different story...

One factor I'd like to consider is your baseline that tells you the temp graph is abnormal.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #338 on: October 11, 2015, 10:23:16 PM »
Yeah, but 10,000 years on a geological scale is nothing. If you're actually proposing that that cycle grinding to a halt in the space of 200 years (and I'm not saying it has or necessarily will) is just to expected at some point, you're an idiot. That's not how things work.

That's not why there's fossils in polar and subpolar regions. It's called plate tectonics, dummy. The surface is floating around on an ocean of molten rock, and slides around.

A ten million years ago, the continents weren't anywhere near where they are now. Same goes for ten million years before that, and before that, ad infinitum. Well, at least back until the crust solidified, and tectonics began.


But point is that the temperature had damn all to do with fossil formation.

Okay, then I'm officially putting you in charge of the problem. Your job is now to make sure we have enough food at an affordable cost. Also you can't turn away refugees, since you'll probably say it's up to them to take care of themselves, which would include moving out of a barren desert.


Also, you're officially in charge of relocating everyone on the coast inland. Specifically, you're required to salvage 75% of everything, so we don't leave tens of trillions worth of progress at the bottom of our newly expanded coastal shelf.

Yeah, adapt, exploit, take advantage of. Excellent verbiage for dealing with crisis. I'm sure some love muffin can find a way to profit off of NYC being flooded out and Africa becoming a desert. Because that's all that matters. Exploitation of misfortune to improve your own life.

Suggest you go back to schooling. Plate tectonics or not. the polar regions havent always been frozen over.
There have been both warming and cooling periods throughout earths history. Some taking place rather quickly. Just look at our own  very recent midevil warm period and mini ice age (which we just came out of) Both of which people adapted and relocated if they needed to.

I wont need to be in charge of moving everyone. You think people are going to wake up one morning with the ocean outside their front door? Based on your overall response it is painfully obvious that you watch entirely too much Hollywood.

There are solutions to all the problems you mention. And just as soon as it becomes profitable to implement them. They will be done. Mark my words.
We have the technology available already so that Africa doesnt need to be a desert. There is currently no profit in it so its not being done

Climate Change. The only consistent thing this planet has ever done is change. You alluded as much yourself. We either adapt and exploit those changes as we have always done. Or we cease being guests on this planet just like over 90% of all the species that have ever existed have.

Adapt and exploit. That is the absolute best and only RL option because one thing is for sure. Even if what you are having panic attacks over are true. We arent going to change the climate. Even if it were possible (and I dont believe it is) If you have any sense of realism about you at all. You can only conclude that in the real world, you arent going to get the world entire to agree to co operate to make the needed changes.
So that leads us right back to the only realistic option. Adapt and exploit. And we are already starting to do exactly that
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #339 on: October 11, 2015, 10:24:42 PM »
Yes and no. If you concidered all other factors like global economic development, need for energy etc. the choice is quite simple. But its a different story...

and now your educated. you need to convince the rest of the world to live in dung soaked streets and blissful visions of fruitless labor.

a better scientist would work for a solution.

this is happening but not there yet.

keep up your good work, we need it.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #340 on: October 12, 2015, 02:01:09 AM »
Suggest you go back to schooling. Plate tectonics or not. the polar regions havent always been frozen over.
There have been both warming and cooling periods throughout earths history. Some taking place rather quickly. Just look at our own  very recent midevil warm period and mini ice age (which we just came out of) Both of which people adapted and relocated if they needed to.

I wont need to be in charge of moving everyone. You think people are going to wake up one morning with the ocean outside their front door? Based on your overall response it is painfully obvious that you watch entirely too much Hollywood.

There are solutions to all the problems you mention. And just as soon as it becomes profitable to implement them. They will be done. Mark my words.
We have the technology available already so that Africa doesnt need to be a desert. There is currently no profit in it so its not being done

Climate Change. The only consistent thing this planet has ever done is change. You alluded as much yourself. We either adapt and exploit those changes as we have always done. Or we cease being guests on this planet just like over 90% of all the species that have ever existed have.

Adapt and exploit. That is the absolute best and only RL option because one thing is for sure. Even if what you are having panic attacks over are true. We arent going to change the climate. Even if it were possible (and I dont believe it is) If you have any sense of realism about you at all. You can only conclude that in the real world, you arent going to get the world entire to agree to co operate to make the needed changes.
So that leads us right back to the only realistic option. Adapt and exploit. And we are already starting to do exactly that


I'm well aware of the global temperature cycle. But that still has very much less to do with fossils, than does Siberia being a tropical (in its geographical location) low land a while back.


And you seem to have no concept of what it would actually take to move a city, even on the scale of decades. We're already having issues with affordability of housing, now imagine people start flocking away from the coast instead of too it.

Hell, I'm sure it will provide a big boon to housing and property moguls, perhaps for construction workers as well. But at the expense of everyone else. Capitalism doesn't work when demand for a product is born of necessity, rather than simple want. It's the great flaw in your vaunted system. It always has been.


Besides, we're advancing beyond material want. We're at the point where profitability should no longer be the driving factor.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #341 on: October 12, 2015, 07:01:35 AM »




And you seem to have no concept of what it would actually take to move a city, even on the scale of decades.

It would/will happen on its own. It happens now. Seen Detroit lately?
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #342 on: October 12, 2015, 07:18:18 AM »
 :rofl

Circles, all these circles.  :rofl

I had a good trip when I has younger, circles; everything is circles.  :rofl

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #343 on: October 12, 2015, 08:57:41 AM »
Besides, we're advancing beyond material want. We're at the point where profitability should no longer be the driving factor.

Good luck with that.  :D

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #344 on: October 12, 2015, 09:34:55 AM »
 This  asteroid (2015 TC25) was detected yesterday only. I'm sure are lots more larger undetected; it's small 5 meters diameter and tomorrow is going to get to 0.3 LD( lunar distance) from Earth, orbit condition code 6,  uncertain, ;, Maybe hits the Earth and wastes years of carbon taxes;   :noid

http://spaceweather.com/

the orbit parameters, requires java;
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2015%20TC25;orb=1;old=0;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#cad

http://neo.ssa.esa.int/web/guest/orbit-visualizer



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