How or Why we will reverse global warming

[SysError]

Thing is, the warmers are totally ignoring fossil records that show a biodiversity explosion every time the global temperature rises or CO2 naturally rises.  Its all doom and gloom.

I think there certainly could be more done to reduce man made pollution, but I am convinced that the warmer's crusade is distracting everyone from making any progress towards real improvements in *pollution* control.  CO2 is a byproduct of respiration and its also plant food, so classifying that as pollution the same as, say, a mercury spill, is harming the entire environmental movement.

eagl, I looked over your posts and I could not find even ONE item that you are correct on.  You must be a Fox News junkie.

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[PJ_Godzilla]

So says the Socialist. 

Reminding me a little of Noam Chomsky... Chomsky is that most maddening of things; a man with a good intellect who can criticize everything yet offers solutions to nothing.

So here, in the quote to which you refer, we see a lot of generalized railing, no specific citations of anything, a generic shaming of humans ( which includes YOU, get it?) and no proposed "better way". Meanwhile, if you're like me, you're part of the current economy using current technologies and methods to search for a BETTER way.

In short, the railing adds no value and, if you don't like the current economic engine or current portfolio of technologies but have nothing to offer that's better, get out of the way and let those who are trying to find solutions do their work.

The dirty secret of all that "railing": it's a rather transparent attempt to claim moral authority, and with that goes, ultimately, legal authority. Never fall for it - and good for you for mocking it - that's all it deserved.

[NatCigg]

I do not think that you understand how science works.  You do not get a vote on whether or not gravity exists.  Science says bring me evidence to support your idea and peers will review and evaluate it.

If you do not want science taught at your kid's school, that is OK, we will always need asbestos remediation technicians.   

I do not think you read my post.  When the kid settles down from the fear he has been taught he can get a enginering degree and start working on saving the world! 

[SysError]

I do not think you read my post.  When the kid settles down from the fear he has been taught he can get a enginering degree and start working on saving the world! 

Sorry, read it too fast and replied even faster.

[Brooke]

It is hypocritical of people without much scientific background to berate others for not knowing enough science.

[SysError]

It is hypocritical of people without much scientific background to berate others for not knowing enough science.

really?


Does that apply to Econ?

[Brooke]

really?


Does that apply to Econ?

I think so.

[Aspen]

I did my part.  I bought 3 new pairs of shorts and some SPF 50 sunscreen.  I'm looking at some mountain property here in Colorado which I assume will be beach front someday and worth a lot more (even though mountain property is already expensive).

I thought about pretending humans could reverse or substantially effect the large scale climate shifts the earth goes through, but the amount of hubris it would take was daunting.

[SysError]

The day will come when Mother Earth thru her natural climate cycles/ geological changes will shake us off her back like fleas from a dog.....We will adapt, or go extinct.... We're no better than the hundreds of millions of other life forms here that have disappeared as a result of natural occurances.  It doesn't mean that we shouldn't take steps to keep her clean, if only out of respect and thoughtfulness  for future generations.....IMHO the climate change argument is just 2 agendas trying to bang their heads against each other, each hoping for a favorable outcome to their agenda......us fleas hubris Has no ceiling

I believe that climate change is happening and that man is significantly contributing to it. 

So on the one side you have thousands of scientists (97% of all scientists) saying that there is evidence for it.   

http://theconsensusproject.com/#sharePage


On the other side you have CO2 polluters trying to shove as much cash as they can down the throats of as many community leaders that they can find to say that climate change is caused by anything but them.  In fact, one of them, after promising to stop doing so in 2007, has handed out around 30 million dollars over the past few years.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers


Hum…  Let me think about this for a while.




Right now human CO2 emissions are the main cause of climate change.

In ancient times CO2 (principally) from greenhouse gasses were the main cause of climate change.




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BTW, here is something that I found a hoot!  Guess who was the leader in the man-made CO2 research in the 1970s?
 
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/15092015/Exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming






After I watched that clip I couldn’t help but to think of this:





One last point for today:

So you say humans cannot impact climate change.  I beg to differ.  Now it is disputed, but some say that Genghis Khan was, in effect, a green eco-warrior.  How?

By massacring around 40 million people it is estimated that he scrubbed 700m tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior

Now that should appeal to some you guys on this BBS!

[pembquist]

Sys Error, your error is that you think that more information will persuade anyone over this topic. If anything more information will only increase the polarization of views.  What is at work here, I believe, (and I'm sure you could find a behavioral psychology study to back this up, but really, whats the point?) is a form of tribalism. There are people who believe that the majority scientific opinion that you cite is bogus. There is nothing you could link to or declare that is going to make any difference in that belief. Everything you post is immediately discounted as ideologically driven dissembling.

It seems self evident to me that we live in the anthropocene. I do not believe that climate science is the same as Lysenkoism. The world is a small place and it is getting smaller.

[NatCigg]

I did my part.  I bought 3 new pairs of shorts and some SPF 50 sunscreen.  I'm looking at some mountain property here in Colorado which I assume will be beach front someday and worth a lot more (even though mountain property is already expensive).

I thought about pretending humans could reverse or substantially effect the large scale climate shifts the earth goes through, but the amount of hubris it would take was daunting.

Good work aspen. A guy can not get ready for climate change soon enough.  Those suckers in new york will be running for your property soon enough!  Opportunity's abound!

Just be careful the magnetic field of the earth will be flipping soon and your SPF 50 will not be enough.  We are going to need a lot of help building a iron disk in space to block the sun to save our co2 from being blown away.  The sign up sheet is down the hall.  Oh I guess I should tell you that when we block the sun the ice will come back and the water levels will drop and LA property will be dirt cheap. High Five. 

[NatCigg]

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By massacring around 40 million people it is estimated that he scrubbed 700m tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior

Now that should appeal to some you guys on this BBS!

40 million people = 700 trees. Wow batman. Thanks for putting it in perspective.

[Chilli]

Did you know that if you quit smoking early enough, your lungs have the ability to repair themselves to a degree, but at the very least, the lungs stop being assaulted.  Pretty much the same ..... 

Why would I want my lungs to not be assaulted? 

[Mar]

40 million people = 700 trees. Wow batman. Thanks for putting it in perspective.

Did you know that if you quit smoking early enough, you lungs have the ability to repair themselves to a degree, but at the very least, the lungs stop being assaulted.  Pretty much the same ..... 

Why would I want my lungs to not be assaulted? 

I want what you guys are having.

[FLS]

You are making an error of omission. 

No I'm not.