How or Why we will reverse global warming

[NatCigg]

Nature (and Humans) are adaptable as long as we get enough time to do it. A small but rapid change have bigger impact than a big and slow. And main problem isnt that climate change is going to kill us all. Its about what effects it have on the society. Severe drought and other weather related disaster might casue unrest and violence. As always rich countries will be able to cope better than poor ones.

it might be easier to move a grass and bambo hut in bangladesh then say hong kong?

you can not blame the government for higher tuition can you?  Giving out loans like candy, telling people to go to school when what they really need to do is work hard at a goal, allowing the competitive universitys to have growth wars to attract more students where outrageous tuition is more than matched by cost of room and board.  The kids signed the contract it was up to them to understand what is going on.  p.s. high school is a joke for many, that money could have been spent with career training. period.

[Aspen]

I'm starting an Isoprene farm and then I will franchise the model.  To hedge my bets, I'm also knitting designer wool caps in case the alarmists go back to the impending ice age headlines like the ones I grew up with.

[FLS]

Let me ask you a question. What's the bigger problem? CEOs and Hedgefund managers losing a small portion of net profits so that their employees can afford to live a decent life? Or telling every highschooler to go get a college degree to prove their worth, only to be disregarded as (our education system sucks) so now college graduates aren't making money, highschool graduates aren't making money, and of course it's the educations fault because companies don't want to pay people enough to support themselves.

So you tell me how education is going to make companies pay better instead of allowing our socitey to slowly be devalued? While dipshits makes 40M a year.

The bigger problem is telling high school students they should go to a college they can't afford to get a degree they can't use. Too bad high school students didn't learn better decision making in 12 years of school. How did that happen?   

Who do you think should decide how much money your employment is worth, besides you?  Who picked your job?

What is personal responsibility?

But we're off topic now.   

[pembquist]

It's called confirmation bias.

I'm thinking it's a bit beyond confirmation bias, at least they way I understand confirmation bias. I would describe confirmation bias as the human tendency to seek out information that confirms our preconceptions which seems different from being steel plated against all information that contradicts those preconceptions. Also the level of emotion that attends seems of a different class than the unintentional thumb on the scale that I think confirmation bias describes. But hey! Its all in the same ballpark of deficiency in human thinking.

[NatCigg]

Last I check every snot nosed college graduguate had to prove his worth.  The paper gets you a interview, if you worked hard.  The time in college is in your skill set, if you worked hard.  You will keep your job, if you work hard.  Even then you are working on someones ship, not yours, he can get rid of you any time she wants. And you can leave anytime you want.

[Zimme83]

But we are talking about a predicted change that is, on human time scales, very slow, as well as being, on historical time scales, very small.  Also, it might not even happen to the extent that models predict, as they have been significantly wrong in their predictions.

What can also cause unrest and violence is societies lacking economic progress.  You can spend $1 trillion on a fruitless attempt to stop global warming (which might not even come to pass or might be a world-saving benefit if it helps avert a future ice age); or you can spend $1 trillion into growing economies.

Its a valid standpoint. But i have to disagree with you because of the simple fact that its not realistic to believe that 11 billion people can live the life as we do in the west. The system is based on that a minority is rich and use a lot of rescourses while the majority use only a fraction.
It would require that a lot of rescourses used by the rich countries is diverted to the poor countries and i have hard to believe that it would be accepted by the people in the rich countries.
 

[FLOOB]

But the changes we are talking about here are paltry in magnitude compared to what they say was necessary to bring about the Permian extinction.  There, they debate causes like volcanic events that created a lava-and-ash field about 1/4 the size of Russia, which -- just as one consequence among many others that are perhaps more significant -- melted a lot of methane hydrate and released a lot of CO2 quickly.

We are talking about CO2 going from 400 ppm now to (if you burn all oil, natural gas, and coal reserves -- all of it) 800 ppm.  That's not high for the history of the earth, and there are plenty of periods with much higher CO2 that don't seem to have issues with it:  2000 ppm during the time of the dinosaurs, 5000 ppm during the Cambrian.

Are you replying to yourself because you're the one who introduced the subject into the conversation? All I said was they think maybe that (atmospheric warming, oceanic stagnation, sulfur dioxide, methane thawing) is what caused the permian extinction. None of this has anything to do with more immediate problems such as none of you have yet joined my clan and cannabis is still illegal.

[NatCigg]

I'm reminded of my senior year in high school.  Half of it was spent at career training at the local community college where I worked hard and was a four point student.  The other half of my day was back at school.  I had a few classes some I did not need to graduate.  They had me by rule that I had to attend or I would not graduate.  So I would get my game face on and attend, participate I did not.  Boy that upset the teacher, I wondered why she plucked her eyebrows out and had to use eye liner to paint them back on.  Anyhoo, I went on to our major university, got scholarships and grants, loved the library, graduated with ten grand in the bank and no debt, and was working before graduation.  I got a ten thousand dollar raise after one year, after I told them I was considering taking another job offer.

[FLOOB]

And then you gay married your beloved library.

[NatCigg]

And then you gay married your beloved library.

  yes, i still think of her.

[DmonSlyr]

The bigger problem is telling high school students they should go to a college they can't afford to get a degree they can't use. Too bad high school students didn't learn better decision making in 12 years of school. How did that happen?   

Who do you think should decide how much money your employment is worth, besides you?  Who picked your job?

What is personal responsibility?

But we're off topic now.   

There is a big difference between perception and real life. You perceive that a 14-18 YO is suppose to develop life skills that allow them to succeed in America. You perceive that a 14-18 YO is suppose to act like an adult. You perceive that every 14-20 YO is going to be a business owner or a lawyer or an doctor without first going to college. You perceive that these kids could actually find a job right after high school for them to provide for themselves. You perceive that an 18 YO is suppose to understand what debt feels like, even though they've never handled more than $1000 in their life.

Lets talk about what is really happening.
If students do not go to college after high school, they will NOT find a job that can A. support themselves to live on their own, B. afford college to gain a better a paying job with the job they have. Most of the time worked they work Fed up schedules that make them inept from going to another job or taking classes.
Students who do graduate from college are having a hard time finding jobs that allow them to leave their parents house.
50% of the population make under 30K a year.
We need different kinds of people in this world, not just business people, Lawyers, and politicians. If they work 8 hours a day, they deserve a livable wage.


As far as I'm concerned, we are creating a society where working hard gets you a .50 BS raise after a year while reaping no respect from anyone in the organization. (for retail chains)

We are killing the motivation of the workforce by taking advantage of people, their livelihood, education, and work ethic. NO ONE wants to work hard for 7.50 an hour, and thats why it shows when you go to a store because the people there could give a F less about their jobs.

MENTAL HEALTH.

How many people can we place in poverty before they all lose their minds?


Is this the society we want to create?

[NatCigg]

There is a big difference between perception and real life. You perceive that a 14-18 YO is suppose to develop life skills that allow them to succeed in America. You perceive that a 14-18 YO is suppose to act like an adult. You perceive that every 14-20 YO is going to be a business owner or a lawyer or an doctor without first going to college. You perceive that these kids could actually find a job right after high school for them to provide for themselves. You perceive that an 18 YO is suppose to understand what debt feels like, even though they've never handled more than $1000 in their life.

Lets talk about what is really happening.
If students do not go to college after high school, they will NOT find a job that can A. support themselves to live on their own, B. afford college to gain a better a paying job with the job they have. Most of the time worked they work Fed up schedules that make them inept from going to another job or taking classes.
Students who do graduate from college are having a hard time finding jobs that allow them to leave their parents house.
50% of the population make under 30K a year.
We need different kinds of people in this world, not just business people, Lawyers, and politicians. If they work 8 hours a day, they deserve a livable wage.


As far as I'm concerned, we are creating a society where working hard gets you a .50 BS raise after a year while reaping no respect from anyone in the organization. (for retail chains)

We are killing the motivation of the workforce by taking advantage of people, their livelihood, education, and work ethic. NO ONE wants to work hard for 7.50 an hour, and thats why it shows when you go to a store because the people there could give a F less about their jobs.

MENTAL HEALTH.

How many people can we place in poverty before they all lose their minds?


Is this the society we want to create?

heating, plumbing, electrical. all jobs that are booming now, can be taught in high school.  a great career of independence and financial security await. 

[FLOOB]

There is a big difference between perception and real life.

The perceptiveness of the individual has a lot to do with how big that difference is.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ted-kaczynski-class-reunion-cold-opening/n10841

[DmonSlyr]

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77


Here are some stats for 25-35 year olds based on education. Of course the #s are simply measures and not the same for everyone, but non the less they represent what education can give you in the future.

Now, compare them with 18 YO salaries right out of high school, they are looking at roughly 27K or less per year. It takes a person 5-7 years with no college degree to make 30K per year. At a 30K per year salary, you cannot afford college, you cannot afford insurance, phone bills, cars, babies, rent, you name it, you cannot afford very much at all. We are literally screaming at the older generation to wake up and realize this problem, but your only argument is that we are lazy. This is why America is staggering while the rest of the world is catching up to us. The stats are clear as day, just like reading a businesses financial ratios, they tell the story.

[FBKampfer]

Assuming one subscribes to a capitalist view of the economy, we're still left with the fact that as more people are in search of jobs (population growth), the value of those jobs will be lessened, and the cost of living will simultaneously increase.

Unless you accept people going hungry and living in poverty as simply part of the cost of your standard of living, it's a problem that must be addressed.

Here, capitalism has utterly failed. Especially when more and more jobs are becoming partially or entirely automated, cutting out vast swaths of jobs, further reducing the value of the remaining labor as people scramble to find jobs.



Additionally, you seem to be thinking from the stand point that an education should be a purely practical matter. How do do taxes, how to handle life, simply how to survive. This is not the starting assumption for most of the Western world, where not only a basic education, but a higher education is increasingly being viewed as a fundamental right.