How is it done?

[Randy1]

There is one player in the game that  seems to make shots without, what looks like, a valid shooting angle.  I have heard many players make the same statement about this player.  I have been shoot down by the best in the game and they all, save one, always have valid shooting angles every time.  Players like Violator, AKAK, Latrobe and so on just beat me with sound ACM.  This player has good ACM for sure as well.

Surely it is not a hack of any kind or HTC would have found it so it must be hardware, and or legal, software enhancement program.

Any ideas? 

My guess is the player sees, and can make a shoot before my computer updates to show me the player has a shooting angle.   I see this most often when pulling under the nose of this player getting me clearly out of the line of fire that works for all other players except this one.

[glzsqd]

Lol Anarchy isnt that good of a tator chucker ;P

[oboe]

Try to film an engagement.  You'll be able to jump into their cockpit to see what they are seeing when they fire...

[The Fugitive]

There is one player in the game that  seems to make shots without, what looks like, a valid shooting angle.  I have heard many players make the same statement about this player.  I have been shoot down by the best in the game and they all, save one, always have valid shooting angles every time.  Players like Violator, AKAK, Latrobe and so on just beat me with sound ACM.  This player has good ACM for sure as well.

Surely it is not a hack of any kind or HTC would have found it so it must be hardware, and or legal, software enhancement program.

Any ideas? 

My guess is the player sees, and can make a shoot before my computer updates to show me the player has a shooting angle.   I see this most often when pulling under the nose of this player getting me clearly out of the line of fire that works for all other players except this one.

In most cases this is just lag rearing its ugly head. If you believe there is anything "funny" going on whether its a "hardware, and or legal, software enhancement program" <snicker> film it and send it to HTC. Posting stuff like that here on the boards does no good.

[Latrobe]

Film will help immensely.

I know with my terrible internet I'll see some people shooting no where near me but on their screen they're shooting at my plane.

[JOACH1M]

Sawzaw always knows when my aimbot is on... 

[katanaso]

Sawzaw always knows when my aimbot is on... 

Or when you're using your second account...lol

[Lusche]

Try to film an engagement.  You'll be able to jump into their cockpit to see what they are seeing when they fire...

You can't really see what the enemy saw from your own film. That's only an approximation that can be close, but can also be quite far off, depending on the total combined lag of you two.

In a lot of my own films the enemy seems to shoot way behind my plane, yet I get hit. That's the result from me being a non US player with a relatively high lag. If the other is from a similar remote location that can add up quite a bit.

You'd need the shooters film to see what he really saw.

[JOACH1M]

Or when you're using your second account...lol

Leave Jroc out of this.   


 

[Gman]

When I used to play late night, and have around a 65 ping to HTC's servers, whenever I would run into a couple of the guys from Japan playing with high 100s or even low 200s pings (so they told me), they would look WAY out of position on my front end when they would get shots on me.  It's just the nature of how things resolve themselves on the net.  I could take the Pepsi challenge with them, anytime, and know it was one of the two guys I'd see this type of thing with, and it wasn't anybody's fault, nor some sort of "device", software, hardware or otherwise.

Again, film is needed before you start throwing stuff like in the OP out there.  HTC can tell a lot of stuff from the .ahf films about what's going on - not posting a film and then throwing accusations (or in a certain case, making up every excuse in the book NOT to release your .ahf films of duels) - says something about the situation. 

If you have a specific complaint about a specific player, send the film in.  If he's screwing around, they'll catch him eventually. 

And once caught cheating, not even Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory can save you.

[FLS]

There is one player in the game that  seems to make shots without, what looks like, a valid shooting angle.  I have heard many players make the same statement about this player. 

The likely explanation, as we've explained many times, is that the data travel time on your internet connection is always added to the travel time of the player shooting at you. With 2 fast connections this is negligible. With one slow connection it becomes noticeable, but it's only noticeable when you get shot at. When you shoot at the slow connection guy it looks normal because you shoot on your own PC. Because you get shot at on a different PC it doesn't look the same to you. It's perfectly normal and the slow connection shooter has no advantage. Everybody has the same disadvantage vs their bandit when getting shot at. The amount of visual disparity the defensive fighter sees just reflects that combination of connection speeds.

Offense is normal. Defense needs an early response.

[Randy1]

Does having a high refresh rate monitor help like a 120?

I keep thinking it is not one single advantage but a combination of several small factors to get shoot solution before the other guy.

Just to be sure I am clear on this.  I do not think this is a cheat of any kind.

[FLS]

System lag is not a factor. Your PC is not lagging behind the "real" AH world, your PC is creating your AH world.

The critical factor in shot solution speed is the pilot.

[WaffenVW]

Lag is simple physics, speed of light sort of thing. If you're fighting a guy from Australia with the distance delay, routing efficiency, processing overhead, congestion, etc. the time difference between what you and he see on the screen can be seconds apart. If you've ever talked on a sat phone you know what lag is.

[FLS]

Lag is simple physics, speed of light sort of thing.

PC system lag like monitor latency, and data travel time on the internet are not the same thing. Referring to both as lag can be confusing to the careless reader.