A good morning to reflect on college football

[Masherbrum]

As a neutral fan. Jim had the right to complain. The refs this year are below average. In every conference.

No excuse.   They made crucial mistakes that cost them points.   Had they not thrown a pick 6 and given up 6 more?   That first down would never have mattered is my point and the only point.   

[NatCigg]

Not so fast my friend.  Looking at what happened is only one potential outcome.  Every play and every call made a difference in that game.  Sometimes it was the play and sometimes it was the refs.  One can not tie the outcome to one or two plays and at the same time negate one or two plays.  The critical issue to discuss is the results of the referees calls or no calls.  We now know the crew was biased and banned, validating the obvious poor officiating we all witnesses Saturday.  It is unfortunate they played such a big role in the game, a game of inches and emotional grit.  Im bitterly disappointed.  But sure ready for next game! 

Go Blue!

[-ammo-]

I agree with masherbrum.  Was that a bad call in the OT first down?  I think it was based on what I saw. Once it went to review, you knew they would not overturn it.  The refs are not going to end the game on a call.


A coach and team have to overcome everything that influences the game and it does no good to complain about the refs post game.  Nothing good comes from that.

[Masherbrum]

Not so fast my friend.  Looking at what happened is only one potential outcome.  Every play and every call made a difference in that game.  Sometimes it was the play and sometimes it was the refs.  One can not tie the outcome to one or two plays and at the same time negate one or two plays.  The critical issue to discuss is the results of the referees calls or no calls.  We now know the crew was biased and banned, validating the obvious poor officiating we all witnesses Saturday.  It is unfortunate they played such a big role in the game, a game of inches and emotional grit.  Im bitterly disappointed.  But sure ready for next game! 

Go Blue!

Bull.   If you are blaming officiating, then there is no reason to be ranked that high in the first place.   Biased?   BS.   You make your own luck and don't commit three turnovers.   

Michigan does not deserve to be in the CFP.   They had one team to beat and win the conference.   They failed.   But it was self-inflicted.

[NatCigg]

I agree with masherbrum.  Was that a bad call in the OT first down?  I think it was based on what I saw. Once it went to review, you knew they would not overturn it.  The refs are not going to end the game on a call.


A coach and team have to overcome everything that influences the game and it does no good to complain about the refs post game.  Nothing good comes from that.

The final spot was icing on the cake.  Off the top of my head the two calls that extended osu drives, pass interference  on hill and unsportsmanlike on coach.  Then the lack of pass interference on osu.  Other instances made the game feel like a notre Dame game.

The college football committee, like the rest of us, saw who the better team was.

Both teams looked very good but the dice favors Michigan.  Ohio won and they sit over michigan, but Michigan showed they are cappable for top four.  Saturday night we can put more data in the mix.

[-ammo-]

The final spot was icing on the cake.  Off the top of my head the two calls that extended osu drives, pass interference  on hill and unsportsmanlike on coach.  Then the lack of pass interference on osu.  Other instances made the game feel like a notre Dame game.

The college football committee, like the rest of us, saw who the better team was.

Both teams looked very good but the dice favors Michigan.  Ohio won and they sit over michigan, but Michigan showed they are cappable for top four.  Saturday night we can put more data in the mix.

If the committee thought Michigan were the better team, they would be in.

[NatCigg]

Bull.   If you are blaming officiating, then there is no reason to be ranked that high in the first place.   Biased?   BS.   You make your own luck and don't commit three turnovers.   

Michigan does not deserve to be in the CFP.   They had one team to beat and win the conference.   They failed.   But it was self-inflicted.

Check out the news, the crew is biased and previously banned for multiple reasons, and a basketball coach who gave out the first ever technical in football history.  Just saying.  I know how many ways Michigan could have won, they outplayed osu.  They should have won.  This is not the first time the better team lost and every error is scrutinised.

[NatCigg]

If the committee thought Michigan were the better team, they would be in.

Having two loss Michigan at 5 shows a lot. It is a setup for Saturday.  Conference titles have not been factored.  Also putting Michigan up there bolsters the highway robbery that is OSU above the division champion Penn state.  Defiantly rich men playing with puppets.  All clamouring for self interest in the Holy name of "the best team"

[-ammo-]

I don't look that far into it.  As of today, the committee believes Michigan is the 5th best team. 

I think you are showing a little bias toward Michigan.  I think OSU is the better team of the two right now.  it happened on the field and taking speculation out of it, it's elementary. 

If one wants to speculate about if Bama is better than OSU, OSU better than Washington, UM better than Clemson..  that's fair.  They have yet to play.  The point I want to make is you cannot speculate about OSU and UM.  It was settled on the field.  OSU was the better team ON THAT DAY and there are consequences.

[ACE]

No excuse.   They made crucial mistakes that cost them points.   Had they not thrown a pick 6 and given up 6 more?   That first down would never have mattered is my point and the only point.   

What I'm saying is the refs are making more and more mistakes in college football with nothing being done about it. And guess what? If you criticize them you'll be fined 50,000. Sure Ohio state was the better team that day.  But these refs we got this year aren't very good. Something needs to be changed.

[Masherbrum]

Check out the news, the crew is biased and previously banned for multiple reasons, and a basketball coach who gave out the first ever technical in football history.  Just saying.  I know how many ways Michigan could have won, they outplayed osu.  They should have won.  This is not the first time the better team lost and every error is scrutinised.

Why does every Michigan fan play the "our teams should have won, etc"?    Michigan did not outplay OSU because they committed three turnovers and lost as a direct result of a 14 point swing.   Like we discussed last year, the fan base is over valuing the coach and mental mistakes plague this team.   

You beat up the teams that you were supposed to and only won one of the two games that mattered.   My wife went to UM and even she tried playing some of these same cards.   She realized the spot is pointless when you gave them 14 points.

Realize that next year will be a more trying season as Harbaugh loses 40 seniors.   That is not easy to rebound from, regardless of who is coaching.

[Biggamer]

its easy to be critical of the refs and when its your team its extremly easy to be critical of the refs its just the emotions of football but really when you look at it the refs have a rule book a foot thick they dont know every little rule in there they cant thats why you see mistakes by them they are HUMAN just like all of us. and they will make bad calls from time to time. the game is played very fast its hard to get every call right we see every play slowed down from tv in real time it happens much quicker you cant review every play a game takes 3 and half hours now. people already want shorter games in todays high paced world. i dont think the refs got the call wrong though in this case his forward progress got to the marker

[Ripsnort]

GO HUSKIES

[Oldman731]

Why does every Michigan fan play the "our teams should have won, etc"?   

Heh.  I think that's true for ALL fans.  Anytime I talk to someone whose team lost, I hear that it was because of poor refs, bad weather, sunspot activity, the excuses are endless.  It's NEVER that the other team was better.

- oldman

[Brooke]

Yet sometimes there are indeed really bad calls.