Another terrorist attack: US Soil

[Zimme83]

Btw: Did i missed the thread about the terror attack in Colorado last week?

[TheBug]

See Rule #4

[PJ_Godzilla]

I'm with Rip. This very clearly was planned and not just an angry response to a Christmas party slight.
I'd add, I believe the wife was a Qatari.

The President was quick to call this globally unprecedented. He indicated that prohibiting "no-fly" list members from purchasing guns would fix this problem.

However, I seem to recall 140 unarmed Parisians being mowed down the other week. I have also heard of (and visited a few times) this nation called Brazil which has record levels of gun violence and near-total prohibition.
I also recall living in California and seem to recall (and have verified) that high-capacity mags and "assault rifles" as defined by the media, but actually meaning certain semiautos, are already illegal there.

As for the counterfactual assertion that somehow US gun violence is escalating (it has actually declined since the 90's and correlates !!! to increased gun ownership), I offer this: https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/03/ny-daily-news-controversial-gun-cover-of

I note that Zimme has used this as an opportunity to besmirch an entire nation and, implicitly, American gun owners. I have an exceedingly low opinion of that.

[FLS]

Terrorism has been contained, depending on what the definition of isis is. 

[Ripsnort]

See Rule #4

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Well because its silly.

It may very well have something to do with terrorism, but grabbing at straws prior to the investigation shows an agenda.   

 

[Triton28]

Grasping at straws is guessing randomly and desperately.  Labeling this shooting as an act of terrorism falls squarely under "educated guess" given what we know at this point. 

Of course, it could turn out that this couple killed and maimed dozens of people because someone at the party said Lincoln puts out better luxury SUV's than GMC does, but that would be grasping at straws.     

[PJ_Godzilla]

Of course, Triton... but people WILL do it. In fact, premature finger-pointing has become a political art form in this day and age. It is nearly always done in the service of an agenda. hat's not necessarily bad - but it does impose risk for the pointer.

[zack1234]

I did notice the French president was got out of that stadium pretty quickly and everyone was left on their own.

Politicians have armed protection, in the UK I can use a stern look which is totally ineffectual in protecting my person but gives me a look of importance.

Is it true in the US that you own firearms for self defence?

[Ripsnort]

I did notice the French president was got out of that stadium pretty quickly and everyone was left on their own.

Politicians have armed protection, in the UK I can use a stern look which is totally ineffectual in protecting my person but gives me a look of importance.

Is it true in the US that you own firearms for self defence?

99% of the people in the US, you would never know they're armed. That's a good thing.

[BuckShot]

Grasping at straws is guessing randomly and desperately.  Labeling this shooting as an act of terrorism falls squarely under "educated guess" given what we know at this point. 

Of course, it could turn out that this couple killed and maimed dozens of people because someone at the party said Lincoln puts out better luxury SUV's than GMC does, but that would be grasping at straws.   

They had pipe bombs at their house, among other things. They were terrorists. Correct straw grabbed, finger accurately pointed.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Right, it imposes a deadly shell game on would-be attackers.

Zack, you can buy a gun in the US and wear it as a fashion accessory, wave it around with total irresponsibility. Of course, they'll throw you in jail on a brandish charge, but you can do it.

Most people prefer the "low profile" style of carrying it concealed.

Can you use it in self-defense? Of course, but there are rules governing this as well. The use of deadly force has to meet the level of threat as judged ex post by a jury of "reasonable" people. In many states, you also have a duty to retreat, meaning, de facto, that you can't use the firearm to defend your property if you have a safe exit.

[Triton28]

Of course, Triton... but people WILL do it. In fact, premature finger-pointing has become a political art form in this day and age. It is nearly always done in the service of an agenda. hat's not necessarily bad - but it does impose risk for the pointer.

Making an educated guess and being wrong on this BBS means nobody will ever ask me to analyze another potential terrorist attack again.  I'm fine with that as it doesn't pay very well anyway.   

[PJ_Godzilla]

Exactly.

There's an entire game that now goes on - and the intardnet has only enabled it. Your average pundit will make an entire slew of predictions/speculations. I'm convinced he approaches it like a portfolio of start-ups.

And, like a portfolio of start-ups, 60-90% will go belly-up and disappear beneath the waves... But that GOLDEN ONE will be the prediction that comes true!!! And that one will be the one he crows from the rooftops.

And, as you point out, we do it here with even less risk than the pundit.

Leaving that aside, did I point out to you the FACT that I'm some kind of freaking GENIUS for predicting, last year I'd add, the reemergence of the European nationalist right wing?

[NatCigg]

When I grew up in the 80's having a shotgun hanging in your rear window was normal.   
Not many did it, but it was normal.
That said, I would not trust a good old argument with a stranger nowadays, his wife might be packin.