monday night madness

[RufusLeaking]

Hehehehee. You "barracks lawyer" !

Your honor, may I approach the bench?

  "No fighter may be engaged at any distance less than 4 miles from the field he just lifted from,
regardless of its altitude".

5. - No combat on the bases with a buffer zone away from the runway end that is respected.

How to handle those who run to the base ack for defense?

Seriously, I can see a bunch of high BnZ guys run to the deck and to the field "safe zone" only to climb out again and repeat.

There needs to be an option to chase.

[bustr]

Seriously, I can see a bunch of high BnZ guys run to the deck and to the field "safe zone" only to climb out again and repeat.

There needs to be an option to chase.

Base ack has been set so soft you can land and not get killed from my experience. 10k has a ceiling cover of high winds. The buffer is to allow players to get off the ground and the collateral effect is if someone needs to run, fine they can run. This being a none MA weekly event, it has rules. The totality has respected the buffer so far out of respect for the rules.

This is explicitly attempting to "Not be the MA" so players can furball. If you want to act like it is the MA, go to the MA. No one is holding a gun to your head so you cannot log out of the AvA on Monday night. I think the CM who babysits us on Mondays has instaeject if you need to make it the MA. Or do you need to grief people because it looks like they have a working arrangement to have mutual fun once a week?

From what I can tell to date, people respect the simple rules of the event. And the community communicating when an infraction occurs not by mistake seems to work.

It is an attempt at 90 minutes of acting like gentlemen while furballing your brains out. Maybe the MA knee capping style is more suited to your vengeful nature.

[captain1ma]

for next week heres what We'll do.....

1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them.

2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above, to insure safety, if this is whats requested. or we can leave it, you guys tell us what you want.

3. last week I set ceiling at 8k with a 127mph updraft, if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. 12 is fine too. whatever you want.
4. Bombers--in or out, you tell us, we can also limit bombloads and/or even eliminate them. the other thing we can do, is set bombers at just the fields being used, and no others. it just makes it harder to set up the arena, but very do-able. 

5. common vox. when I run tank night on Thursday nights, we use vox 223 to talk cross country, and range to talk to our teammates. I suggest we try it, but its you guys decision as to what you want to do.

next week, we'll use the twinrvrs map, you tell us which bases to setup and we'll do it. also we can setup 2 particular bases, but if we want to use a different base, it cant be setup as quickly, if bomber are only at the 2 designated fields. just something to think about.

odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is.

to all Monday night madness participants and others feel free to suggest anything else you want or any changes.

thanks

captain1ma aka jeager1
AVA staff

[bustr]

jager,

thanks.....

[Vudak]

I think 12k and furball shouldn't be in the same sentence

[Jeff W]

I think 12k and furball shouldn't be in the same sentence
i agree with this i think it should stay at 8k
    lazy

[Oddball-CAF]

I'm not legislating anything because I'm not running this.
Having said that, I vote the following referencing Jaeger's post:

1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them.  I vote yes

2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above - I vote crank it as high as it'll go

3. last week I set ceiling at 8k (snip)  if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. I vote 10K

4. Bombers--in or out - I vote "in" with NO formations, no B17s, no B26s, lift only at the two "furball" fields.
    (Flight disabled at all other fields on the map.)

5. common vox - I vote no.

"odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is."

  Again, I'm not legislating anything, but I would prefer to see:

(a) 10K max alt.
(b) No vulching
(c) No fights within 3-4 miles of the two designated airfields
(d) No "faceshots"  (this one's not enforceable obviously)

  The wind and ack adjustments take care of the first two. The third and fourth can be
addressed to some extent via vox/text and some "peer pressure".
  I'm unable to view the map you've suggested, Jaeger. The one we used last
week was perfectly fine and you know the two fields we used.

To RufLeak: It's pretty easy to discern if a plane is damaged and RTB or simply "running"
from a fight. I see no purpose in following it back to its base if the woman flying it is doing
the latter and doesn't want to fight. There's not been a lack of good fights happening,
so breaking off and flying another two minutes puts you right back into the thick of
things.
  I saw only two brief windows where running and then "hiding in the ack" occured,
so I don't think it's a problem with any sort of consistency to it.

  Let's just have some fun with "Madness" and get away from trying to micro-manage
it with a whole bunch of "but, what if -this- happens, or what if -that- happens?".
  We're all adults here and we know and understand the basic intent of Monday Night
MidWar Madness. If it don't "feel right", don't do it.

Regards, Odd

[Jeff W]

(a) 10K max alt.         yes
(b) No vulching         yes
(c) No fights within 3-4 miles of the two designated airfields  - yes
(d) No "faceshots"  (this one's not enforceable obviously)  - yes
just up fight die re up and have fun that's why it's called madness
                              lazy

[captain1ma]

ok so:

1. We're good on radar

2. ceiling 10k with a 127mph updraft

3. base ack  >1

4. bombers only at fight bases, no formations no 17's no 26.

5. vox 151 I think it was?

and all the rest of the stuff! 

[RufusLeaking]

If you want to act like it is the MA, go to the MA. No one is holding a gun to your head so you cannot log out of the AvA on Monday night. I think the CM who babysits us on Mondays has instaeject if you need to make it the MA. Or do you need to grief people because it looks like they have a working arrangement to have mutual fun once a week?

Lighten up, Francis.

It has been a few years since I attempted to win the forum, but ... Try reading my posts for content. I'll use smaller words and shorter sentences.

(Sorry for falling off the sarcasm wagon. I just read some misplaced attitude into bustr's post.)

"odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is."

  Again, I'm not legislating anything ...

Face it, OddCAF.

Your stature and reputation among this group is essential to making this happen. Otherwise, idiots like bustr and myself would be like 5 year olds in the back of the station wagon.

OddCAf: "Don't make me pull this arena over."

1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them.  I vote yes

2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above - I vote crank it as high as it'll go

3. last week I set ceiling at 8k (snip)  if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. I vote 10K

4. Bombers--in or out - I vote "in" with NO formations, no B17s, no B26s, lift only at the two "furball" fields.
    (Flight disabled at all other fields on the map.)

5. common vox - I vote no.

My two cents:
1, 2, 3, and 5. - Concur with Odd.
4. Bombers - no ordinance or formations. At least one guys was upping bombers to dogfight.

I'll add another:

6. No vehicles enabled.

To RufLeak: It's pretty easy to discern if a plane is damaged and RTB or simply "running"
from a fight. I see no purpose in following it back to its base if the woman flying it is doing
the latter and doesn't want to fight. There's not been a lack of good fights happening,
so breaking off and flying another two minutes puts you right back into the thick of
things.
  I saw only two brief windows where running and then "hiding in the ack" occured,
so I don't think it's a problem with any sort of consistency to it.

  Let's just have some fun with "Madness" and get away from trying to micro-manage
it with a whole bunch of "but, what if -this- happens, or what if -that- happens?".
  We're all adults here and we know and understand the basic intent of Monday Night
MidWar Madness. If it don't "feel right", don't do it.

It seems that I need to add some emojis so I am not coming across as so serious. 

Ok, I am not endorsing griefing anyone. But, there is always going to be a griefer or two. 

Coastlines make good landmarks. Is it possible to find a map with easily spotted landmarks for reference? 

(look at the bananas)

I still think the safe zone will result in a lot of "smart flyers" who run. 

(more bananas)

It has been and will be a lot of fun. I am in no way trolling or whining. It is just another opinion.

[captain1ma]

no vehicles was a given. they weren't in the last one.

while a bit direct, have to agree with bustr, this isn't a normal Ma setup.

[RufusLeaking]

while a bit direct, have to agree with bustr, this isn't a normal Ma setup.

Never said it was the MA.

No need to roll out the unwelcome mat. 

(bananas)

[trap78]

One question about the 120+ updraft at 10k; I've broken through the 10k limit during a fight that started lower. Can the alt limit be more of an agreement and not hardwired into the arena environment. It's like a giant hand is waiting at 10k to swat you. Some guys fly planes that will never turn with the Brews, Spits and Zekes so vertical space is important.

[Oddball-CAF]

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

W.B. Yeats
"The Second Coming", 1919

[bustr]

12k might be a better compromise for the vertical fight.

I realized in a spit8 I was breaking the 10k trying to pivot over a Brewster while evading a sudden hot popup 109. Not sure if a gentlemen's agreement to enter fights at 10k with the understanding 12k is there as a no harm no foul would work for some who will take everything they can get before engaging. The ACM needs of different fighters will over ride remembering any celling in the heat of the fray. And rides like the P47 need a little vertical to entice some pilots to take the risk.

Just don't tell YUCCA. He will taxi his 47 under the furball then kill everyone.....