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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #690 on: July 20, 2016, 11:18:06 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #691 on: July 20, 2016, 01:15:47 PM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #692 on: July 21, 2016, 06:40:16 PM »
http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20160719-f35.html

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F-35 Very ‘Raptorish,’ Adversary Pilot Says

By RICHARD R. BURGESS, Managing Editor

ARLINGTON, Va. — An experienced fighter pilot who has flown in mock combat against the Marine Corps’ F-35B Lightning II strike fighter has described the F-35’s performance as similar to that of the Air Force’s F-22A Raptor air superiority fighter.

“I was just flying at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort [S.C.] about three weeks ago against the F-35s,” said Jeff Parker, a former Air Force fighter pilot and now chief executive officer of Airborne Tactical Advantage Co. (ATAC) — a unit of Textron Airborne Solutions — that provides commercially operated adversaries, jet fighters that pose as enemy aircraft to train Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force fighter pilots. “The F-35Bs “are very ‘Raptorish’ in their training and the aircraft is a very capable airplane in the air-to-air arena.”

Parker, speaking July 18 in a teleconference with reporters, also described the challenge of providing adversary services to fifth-generation fighter aircraft like the F-22 and F-35.

“Fifth-generation aircraft have a generous appetite for bad guys — for bandits.” Parker said. “They need a lot of adversaries in order to challenge them because their systems are so spatially aware and limited only by the number of missiles that they carry. We have flown against Raptors on many occasions; they are a very impressive aircraft.”

An F-22 can carry six AIM-120 air-to-air missiles and when a section of two F-22s trains, “ideally they want 12 bandits; the minimum is eight, I believe,” he said. “The F-35 will be a little more missile-limited, but you still are going to want to max out your missile supply [and bandits to counter], because you can.”
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #693 on: July 21, 2016, 06:50:42 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-britain-lockheed-fighter-idUSKCN0ZV287

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"I can’t wait to get the airplane out to the Pacific," Lieutenant General Jon Davis, deputy commandant for aviation, told Reuters in an interview. "It’s tailor-made for that part of the world with its fifth generation capability and its expeditionary capabilities to land on a small ship or strip, and flow back and forth between those."

Davis says the F-35s are doing far better in combat exercises than expected, achieving so-called "kill ratios" of 24 to zero, and surviving every sort of simulated enemy attack.

"It is like watching a velociraptor going through. Everything in its path is killed," he told reporters.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #694 on: July 22, 2016, 08:27:14 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #695 on: July 23, 2016, 01:25:23 AM »
Now for something I've been waiting for... Let's see how the F-35 does in Red Flag. Not only flying against U.S. aircraft, but also those of other allied nations.  :cheers:

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #696 on: July 23, 2016, 09:25:29 AM »
Like the Velociraptor reference, They were in reality in the size of a turkey and not quite as scary as the Jurassic park ones...
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #697 on: July 23, 2016, 10:03:34 AM »
The Jurasic Park crew based their raptor on the Utahraptor, which had just been discovered at that time.

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #698 on: July 23, 2016, 10:38:26 PM »
You guys know the F-22 was not named after a dinosaur, but a bird of prey, right?
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #699 on: July 24, 2016, 02:39:55 AM »
You guys know the F-22 was not named after a dinosaur, but a bird of prey, right?

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #700 on: July 24, 2016, 02:53:38 AM »
You guys know the F-22 was not named after a dinosaur, but a bird of prey, right?

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I can't speak for Zimme, but yeah... I know that.

However, Lieutenant General Jon Davis of the USMC was quoted in an earlier post where he said (about the F-35B not the F-22) "It is like watching a velociraptor going through. Everything in its path is killed," and that's the comment that set Zimme off.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #701 on: July 24, 2016, 03:34:29 AM »
USMC and RNoAF pilots talking about the F-35 at RIAT.  :aok

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #702 on: July 24, 2016, 12:21:56 PM »
You guys know the F-22 was not named after a dinosaur, but a bird of prey, right?
it was a Rapier to begin with
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #703 on: July 25, 2016, 02:05:59 AM »
And the "Lightning 2" before that.  The F22 had more names attached to it than you could shake a stick at before they settled on "Raptor". 

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #704 on: July 25, 2016, 02:54:20 AM »
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The simulated aerial engagements at Red Flag will focus on flight safety and finding the best uses for all the tools available to pilots rather than three-dimensional maneuvering, said 2nd Lt. Casey Littesy, a spokeswoman for the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing.  The F-35's long-range sensors and weapons make it unlikely that the aircraft will have to engage in within visual-range air-to-air combat, she said.

...well golly I hope the Chinese or N. Koreans get the memo when they shoot actual f***ing weapons at them. Pfft.

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The F-35's long-range sensors and weapons make it unlikely that the aircraft will have to engage in within visual-range air-to-air combat

...and im so glad the PR officers have the talking points memorized.  :O

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