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Offline AceHavok

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Thinking about coming back!
« on: June 17, 2016, 05:56:29 PM »
Hi everyone! <S> 

Don't know how many of you remember me.  I just have a few questions on the state of the game. I really miss everyone I used to fly with had some of my best gaming experiences on this game.  Could I have a update on the state of the game?
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Offline DmonSlyr

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 06:05:23 PM »
Pretty much the same honestly

The player base has died and the fights can be smaller, but there are still fun furballs and still plenty of people to shoot at. Tanks are more popular. There are still people and squads dedicated to winning the map. There are still poop talkers. The special events are great, I'd highly recommend checking those out. The majority of the people are still pretty cool.

They are working on a new game. You can download the Beta on the forums. It's also playable online.

Hope that helps. When you return it will feel like you never left hahaha
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 06:34:36 PM »
Same as ever.  Fewer numbers.  Lots to do.  Come back... bring friends. :airplane: :salute
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 06:56:38 PM »
I also had an urge to come back.  Miss flight sims, planes and the furballs.  That said, when I stopped playing last time it was partly due to the fact that there were <200 players on at a time and that seemed to mark the point at which there was more sitting around than fighting.  Since I've been checking back over the last week, I've never seen more than 180 on at a given time...at most.  With 180 players you have on average 60 per side.  Of those 60, between 10-15 will be in tower on average.  Of the remaining 45 or so that are not in tower, roughly a third can be counted on to be camping GV spawns somewhere.  This leaves 30 players per side in flight.  Of those, you will have your milkrunners, horders and your lone wolves all playing different spots on a vast map where bases outnumber players.  Not good.  Looking at the kill counts, the decrease in player density is definitely having a direct impact on the number of kills logged.  Kills per tour in LW MA last month came in at 143k.  That figure is barely 50% of what it was when I stopped playing in Sep '13 (279k) and roughly a quarter of the volume when I started playing in Sep '07 (716k player kills).  Entertainment value now is significantly less than what it was for the same $15.

I hope to see this most awesome of flight sims find a revival in AHIII, but the VVI is still very negative and the business model is not competitive enough to stop the player bleed. Whoever is flying this business is looking at this situation...more or less.

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 06:56:52 PM »
I get bored a lot and play maybe once a week now, usually on a weekend when numbers in the arena may break the 200 barrier.  In the off hours numbers will be as low as 40 and with the size of the maps it can be hard to find a fight.

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 09:44:54 PM »
Has HTC considered becoming a Free to play game?  That would certainly attract more players. You would just need some sort of micro transactions or premium accounts to make up for it.
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 11:23:20 PM »
Not sure how much longer this can go on.  Warning:  Speculation to follow.

With 8,000-10000 subscribers back in the day, gross monthly income would have been on the order of $120k or an an estimated 1.4 mil annually.  After taxes and facility/server schtuff you'd be looking at perhaps 1 million net if you were lucky and splitting that at least 10 ways.  Those were the good days.  Not sure what current subscriber numbers are looking like now, but if the player base has dropped by 2/3, so has revenue.  That would also indicate an avg employee paycheck dropping from 100k/yr to a little over 30k.  That is a pretty devastating cut.  There are multiple reasons to resist change. (More speculation)
1. You're stubborn.  The way you'll do it is the way you've done it. <-Period.
2. You don't need the money.  Make the game better when you feel like it, if you feel like it.  Some small businesses/LLCs can actually experience a net benefit by being at the top of one tax bracket vs being on the low end of a higher tax bracket.
3. You've done the maths and you can't see a way to change your business model without making things worse. F2P usually fails.
4. Organizational panic and paralysis.  The need to "do something now" on multiple fronts leads to little or no action on any front.

Pure speculation.  None of the above theories appears to be particularly preferable from a game/player standpoint. Hate to see that the game has continued a slow death :(

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 11:33:05 PM »
Entertainment value now is significantly less than what it was for the same $15.


Well, I suppose that depends on your definition of "entertainment value."  I was in Midwar tonight and spent a memorable and most enjoyable half hour fighting Charger3.  You really don't need to have 600 people online to have fun.  You just need people who want to fight.

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Offline AceHavok

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2016, 06:36:47 AM »
Not sure how much longer this can go on.  Warning:  Speculation to follow.

With 8,000-10000 subscribers back in the day, gross monthly income would have been on the order of $120k or an an estimated 1.4 mil annually.  After taxes and facility/server schtuff you'd be looking at perhaps 1 million net if you were lucky and splitting that at least 10 ways.  Those were the good days.  Not sure what current subscriber numbers are looking like now, but if the player base has dropped by 2/3, so has revenue.  That would also indicate an avg employee paycheck dropping from 100k/yr to a little over 30k.  That is a pretty devastating cut.  There are multiple reasons to resist change. (More speculation)
1. You're stubborn.  The way you'll do it is the way you've done it. <-Period.
2. You don't need the money.  Make the game better when you feel like it, if you feel like it.  Some small businesses/LLCs can actually experience a net benefit by being at the top of one tax bracket vs being on the low end of a higher tax bracket.
3. You've done the maths and you can't see a way to change your business model without making things worse. F2P usually fails.
4. Organizational panic and paralysis.  The need to "do something now" on multiple fronts leads to little or no action on any front.

Pure speculation.  None of the above theories appears to be particularly preferable from a game/player standpoint. Hate to see that the game has continued a slow death :(

You don't think some sort of Micro transactions would help that issue? It could be anything from purchasing skins to perks.
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2016, 11:02:30 AM »
You don't think some sort of Micro transactions would help that issue? It could be anything from purchasing skins to perks.

most like the micro transaction we have now.


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2016, 11:40:12 AM »
Th funniest part of this entire thread is some idiot comes in to check out the state of the game, than begins making assumptions about the state of the business.


Ya just gotta love how there are so many expert idiots in this world....................


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2016, 12:36:22 PM »
I remember you your the bloke who had the goats :old:
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2016, 02:03:24 PM »
I remember you your the bloke who had the goats :old:

I had goats.  They're better than sheep... handles and all that.
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2016, 02:11:03 PM »
Come back and bring friends. 

Ride the storm of low numbers now.  It should pick up with the release of AH3.  I am pretty sure we will begin to see advertisements again...

That being said, get in the game again so you can hone your skills...

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2016, 04:05:35 PM »

Well, I suppose that depends on your definition of "entertainment value."  I was in Midwar tonight and spent a memorable and most enjoyable half hour fighting Charger3.  You really don't need to have 600 people online to have fun.  You just need people who want to fight.

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