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Offline Letalis

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2016, 04:18:22 PM »

Well, I suppose that depends on your definition of "entertainment value."  I was in Midwar tonight and spent a memorable and most enjoyable half hour fighting Charger3.  You really don't need to have 600 people online to have fun.  You just need people who want to fight.

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I've had similar experiences.  It's just that from where I'm sitting the odds of having said experiences on a semi-routine basis appear to be dwindling fast.  When you start seeing old time AH players on other forums, you know people are looking for something better.  I think most of us realize there are aspects of AH that are unmatched but that potential isn't getting any traction of late.  Just checked LW numbers:  107 players...midday Saturday...while school is out.   :confused:
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2016, 04:57:44 PM »
You don't think some sort of Micro transactions would help that issue? It could be anything from purchasing skins to perks.

I'd never say never to that.  There do seem to be some decent F2P models out there, but they are the exception.

Over the last 2-3 months I put some 80 hours into Mechwarrior Online.  Their system was actually rather interesting but it would be a pretty radical change.  Not sure how successful it is for them either.  The way it works is you have maybe 20% of the rides available for free from one week to the next.  This way you don't really feel shorted because you still have a pretty decent selection of rides.  It encourages people to try new rides and gets them hooked on the ones they like.  Using these free "mechs" you begin grinding out currency (similar to perk points) and can purchase a ride that you can use all the time and customize to your liking with colors/skins that you also purchase for in-game or real currency.

New players start out with a mech bay (hangar) that can hold 4 mechs.  Once you purchase your first 4 rides, the only way you can purchase additional mechs is to spend $1.50 worth of real money for an additional mech bay slot to park the darn thing.  This struck me as pretty fair overall. 

Applied to AH, this would mean all rides would have to have a cost assigned to them.  (Personally, I'd make the cost directly proportional to use in the previous tour, likely making the P-51D the most expensive ride in the game for in-game currency and giving players incentive to buy unique rides that don't see much use)  A new player would be greeted with an income bonus of some kind his first couple weeks to ensure he has enough currency to buy a few rides.  If he doesn't want to purchase one for real or in-game currency he can fall back on the 25 free to play rides for that week. (Also, purchased rides have a slight income boost, giving you incentive to fly planes you own)  If said new player wanted to unlock every ride in the game at the cost of $1.50 each beyond the first 4 hangar slots, it would cost him $180 bucks, equivalent to a 1yr sub.  That is before the 25 cent skin downloads etc.  What happens once the player drops the $200 bucks his first year?  He plays for free.  That may seem like a big loss when looking at long-term players who have dropped $1,800 bucks on AH subs over the last decade, but at this point what AH needs is new players.  People who pay $180/yr to play a game year after year are the exception, not the norm.

In terms of transitioning:  All players would be allowed to subscribe to a $15/mo. premium acct with full access to all rides (like we have now).  Those that don't opt in have access to the weekly rotation of trial rides and can play/pay their way through an awesome, fun, non-p2w game.  Existing players who opt out of their existing subs would be able to keep their existing perks and cash them in for currency at their leisure, ensuring they are treated well during the transition. 

   
« Last Edit: June 18, 2016, 05:15:04 PM by Letalis »
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2016, 05:22:36 PM »
I agree to a point, maybe 5$ a month for early war birds, 10$ for mid war birds and 15$ for late war birds. Finding fights is not a problem during U.S prime time, but all other times can be a bit bleak.


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2016, 05:36:13 PM »
I agree to a point, maybe 5$ a month for early war birds, 10$ for mid war birds and 15$ for late war birds. Finding fights is not a problem during U.S prime time, but all other times can be a bit bleak.

Like the simplicity of it, but given that the most action will always be late-war centric, there would definitely be complaints that the game is "pay to win" under such a system.
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2016, 06:20:15 PM »
thats the whole point, get a bunch of new guys hooked at 5$ then they will need to shell out 10 or 15$ to be competitive


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2016, 06:50:33 PM »
Free would attract the wrong type of players.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2016, 08:26:03 PM »
Free would attract the wrong type of players.

Perhaps.  But it would attract players and that is preferable to the game going belly-up.  This is not a stupid point-click game.  The more patient folks (aka mature) would have a higher tolerance for a game that makes you think.  The point is to get a higher level of exposure and first time players.

thats the whole point, get a bunch of new guys hooked at 5$ then they will need to shell out 10 or 15$ to be competitive

For a game to be great it must be fair.  Any deviation from a fair game makes the game flawed. Victory here should not go to the deepest pockets or the folks most willing to dish dough into a digital hobby.  I submit that player satisfaction would drop for killers and victims in instances where the $15 subscriber kills the $5 subscriber or vice versa.  What good would a salute be in such an instance? Ch200 would get even more unfriendly.  Also, I'd guess that new customers be more likely to do the $5 sub to feel out the game, get stomped and never come back.  That's been an issue for this kinda of game from the get-go and it'd probably just get worse. $.02
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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2016, 08:36:12 PM »
make your own game and make it free to play.


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2016, 09:43:07 PM »
make your own game and make it free to play.
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Cool story bro.  Will probably check in after another year or two if the game is still around.  Till then, I'm out.

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2016, 10:44:33 PM »
Cool story bro.  Will probably check in after another year or two if the game is still around.  Till then, I'm out.

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keep your word and dont come back for 1 or 2 years.


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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2016, 12:24:26 AM »
Has HTC considered becoming a Free to play game?  That would certainly attract more players. You would just need some sort of micro transactions or premium accounts to make up for it.

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Re: Thinking about coming back!
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2016, 12:27:14 AM »
Hi everyone! <S>

Why think about coming back?

Just come back!  :aok