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Offline KCDitto

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #270 on: August 07, 2016, 02:41:27 PM »
That is very cool Nef,  thanks    :aok
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #271 on: August 07, 2016, 02:54:24 PM »
That is very cool Nef,  thanks    :aok

Im trying to put together an info graphic showing sorties.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #272 on: August 07, 2016, 05:23:03 PM »
I do not know if you can but pilots in flight per hour would be most useful to the discussion.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #273 on: August 07, 2016, 08:34:47 PM »
I do not know if you can but pilots in flight per hour would be most useful to the discussion.

I'll see what I can create and post in another thread as to not clutter up this thread. <S>
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #274 on: August 07, 2016, 10:45:24 PM »
In Target for today
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Thanks for that info and also for the participation over time -- very useful.  :aok
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #275 on: August 07, 2016, 11:03:17 PM »
Looking at the numbers, the average players up in a sortie in TFT looking at 3-hour spans was:

160 players in 1st span
151 players in 2nd
119 players in 3rd
83 players in 4th

Overall average was 128.

From registration, number of registered players was 190.

From log, number of players who participated in the event was 316.


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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #276 on: August 08, 2016, 11:31:00 PM »
A terrain map showing the playing area for various scenarios, along with (in parenthesis) the number of players per frame.


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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #277 on: August 14, 2016, 12:06:30 AM »
Next version of the writeup is posted:

http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201610_TunisiaFeb43/rules.html

Changes listed in the change log at the end.

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #278 on: August 14, 2016, 12:19:17 AM »
Time to vote on an open issue.

Please choose one:

Edit .. see post below for vote options

Here are the various sides of it.  In reality, the 12th AF had Spit V's.  However, Spit V's are quite a bit slower than 109G's and some folks feel that it would be better for balance for the allied side to have some Spit IX's.  Keep in mind that Spit IX's are still slower than 109G's at the altitudes we are using, just not as slow at Spit V's.  The 109 business is just because of a suggestion to do it that way.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #279 on: August 14, 2016, 01:23:49 AM »
Brooke, these two issues should be kept separate. The have no tangible reason to be linked.

The 109 business is just because of a suggestion to do it that way.
This is flat out incorrect. Sorry to be so blunt, but this needs to me made perfectly clear.

This is an accuracy issue just as much as a playability one - and in either case, is satisfied by having the 109 types mixed.

Bf 109G-6 production began in February 1943 - the exact time frame this scenario is set. No unit in the Luftwaffe had exclusively G-6's until summer. The earliest reference I have seen to the definitive use of a G-6 in Tunisia is the death of Joachim Muncheburg on March 23. If any G-6's were available in February, they were in small amounts, and dispersed between units.

As for how the choice affects playability, the performance between the G-2 and G-6 is small but noticeable (similar to the difference between the P-51B and D) where one sacrifices some speed and maneuverability for improved firepower. But some prefer feel of the G-6 due to the heavier nose, making it more stable.


As for the Spit9's they were not used by the 12th AF until April '43. So their inclusion is not accurate.

The Spit9 affects playability by becoming the best overall plane in the setup. It matches the speed of the 109s and 190 above 15K, roughly matches the G-2 (best Axis climber) in climb rate over 12K and out turns and handles better than the 190 or 109 at every alt. It has twice the 20mm ammo as the SpitV. There is no meaningful weakness inherent to the Spit9, whereas every single other plane sacrifices some meaningful ability to gain an advantage somewhere else.


To be both historically accurate and  playability balanced, the answer is to have no Spit 9's and mixed G-2's with G-6's.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #280 on: August 14, 2016, 01:51:19 AM »
Very well.

Calling for vote.

Please choose
A. 12th af has 6 spit v and 6 spit ix.
Or
B. 12th af has 12 spit v.

Please choose
C. Lw has 109 groups that use g2 or g6 as they see fit.
Or
D. Lw has 109 groups as they are currently.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2016, 01:53:09 AM by Brooke »

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #281 on: August 14, 2016, 06:41:01 AM »
A/D
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #282 on: August 14, 2016, 09:48:35 AM »
B/C
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #283 on: August 14, 2016, 10:09:32 AM »
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #284 on: August 14, 2016, 10:12:51 AM »
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