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Offline Oldman731

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2016, 09:04:08 PM »
I've been wondering if our forum is going to get trolled as AH3 is closer to going live, to help us be our natural worst selves to try and drive away potential new players.


If so, then you are rising to the bait.  The wish has been common for many years.  The thread has been fine so far, there's no need to attribute bad motives to anyone.

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2016, 08:45:11 AM »
Three countries and you can fly any fighter you want at all times. In a three country open world, how do you know you are looking at an enemy plane if there is no icon to tell you? No icon works for two country only games where the opposing sides fly country specific aircraft with country markings which allows visual identification of friend or foe. It also makes it easy to guess for old guys with poor eyesight that going in the direction of the other country will have a high probability of bad guys when they see a dot.

I've been wondering if our forum is going to get trolled as AH3 is closer to going live, to help us be our natural worst selves to try and drive away potential new players. We have had years of this wish, but not one so obvious in trying to get a rise out of posters.
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No icons are workable if you have a way of knowing who the bad guy is because of what they are flying.  If you have no icon, there's no way to tell if they are a bad guy or not. 

No icons with 3 sides and mixed plane sets, not possible. 
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2016, 10:31:34 AM »
No icons with 3 sides and mixed plane sets, not possible.


The work-around has been to have short-range friendly (only) icons.  Shouldn't matter what country your enemy is from, so long as he's an enemy.

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 12:40:59 PM »
I agree with Scca. Bad idea.

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 12:46:37 PM »
1) so upgrade your comp already

2) Really, poor eyesight? who cares. Whats next? a box of hearing aides when you order the game?
I had considered offering you a spot on our FSO squad so you can see how short icon's worked would be fun, but this response makes me think you wouldn't be a good fit. 

That said, if you decide to park the attitude, maybe we can work something out.   :salute
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2016, 12:55:16 PM »
The only alternative plane icon system that works good is ww2online's.
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2016, 01:26:09 PM »
I had considered offering you a spot on our FSO squad so you can see how short icon's worked would be fun, but this response makes me think you wouldn't be a good fit. 

That said, if you decide to park the attitude, maybe we can work something out.   :salute

I fly in FSO all the time. I am already a member of a squadron.

People get the attitude they deserve. Video games are not made for blind people. If we had to consider every stupid fringe group every time a game got made, none would be made at all. There are already plenty of flight sims that do not use icons, but they dont have some of the other things AH has. It would be nice to remove them to make the combat more realistic. If a persons comp cant handle that, or if they cant see it due to eyesight: who cares.

We already see this attitude with AH3. With people who are utterly flabergasted they they might have to upgrade. I dont care. I dont care what your money situation is, or what you want to spend on comp parts. If you cant upgrade, then you need to accept that you are part of the past and wont be able to play anymore. It is utterly crazy for every possible improvement to the game to be sidelined or disregarded because some 1% group cant handle it for whatever reason.

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2016, 01:32:40 PM »
I fly in FSO all the time. I am already a member of a squadron.

People get the attitude they deserve. Video games are not made for blind people. If we had to consider every stupid fringe group every time a game got made, none would be made at all. There are already plenty of flight sims that do not use icons, but they dont have some of the other things AH has. It would be nice to remove them to make the combat more realistic. If a persons comp cant handle that, or if they cant see it due to eyesight: who cares.

We already see this attitude with AH3. With people who are utterly flabergasted they they might have to upgrade. I dont care. I dont care what your money situation is, or what you want to spend on comp parts. If you cant upgrade, then you need to accept that you are part of the past and wont be able to play anymore. It is utterly crazy for every possible improvement to the game to be sidelined or disregarded because some 1% group cant handle it for whatever reason.

So you believe a person's capability to set up their display should be the difference between "visible enemy" and "invisible enemy".  That's... quite an opinion you've got there.  Glad you don't run the place.  :aok

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2016, 02:18:58 PM »
Me too. Just turn your icons off and get over it dude.
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2016, 02:22:38 PM »
NO icons in AH main arenas is a terrible idea.

First, there is the practical aspects of identifying friend from foe when they are flying identical planes including the paint schemes.

Second, the realism. This is one of the cases where an unrealistic game mechanic makes some aspect of the game more realistic. As already mentioned by someone above, due to screen resolution and size limitations, we are the equivalent of pilots with terrible eye sight that should never be allowed to hold a stick or even drive a car. The icons are a poor attempt to compensate for that, yet it is the best solution anyone has come up with. Over the years HT had tweaked it so the icons convey the minimal required information and give as little help otherwise. This is why the tags appear below the planes and not above. This is why tags give specific model information only at short ranges. This is why the range indicator resolution changes with distance (from 1000 yards, to 200 yards, to single yards). This is why we get a + or - indicator when the relative speeds are high. All these are meant to help players with poor eye-sights - that means EVERYONE relative to real life. Removing the icons makes it a fun confused game for one session, but otherwise it makes combat LESS realistic.
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2016, 03:09:23 PM »
I fly in FSO all the time. I am already a member of a squadron.

People get the attitude they deserve. Video games are not made for blind people. If we had to consider every stupid fringe group every time a game got made, none would be made at all. There are already plenty of flight sims that do not use icons, but they dont have some of the other things AH has. It would be nice to remove them to make the combat more realistic. If a persons comp cant handle that, or if they cant see it due to eyesight: who cares.

We already see this attitude with AH3. With people who are utterly flabergasted they they might have to upgrade. I dont care. I dont care what your money situation is, or what you want to spend on comp parts. If you cant upgrade, then you need to accept that you are part of the past and wont be able to play anymore. It is utterly crazy for every possible improvement to the game to be sidelined or disregarded because some 1% group cant handle it for whatever reason.
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2016, 03:56:30 PM »
No icons really only works well when it is Axis V
Allies. It would not work in a MA setting because your team could be flying in any type of plane. I really do love fighting with no icons. But it has to be Axis V allies or it wouldn't work.
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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2016, 04:41:36 PM »
I fly in FSO all the time. I am already a member of a squadron.

People get the attitude they deserve. Video games are not made for blind people. If we had to consider every stupid fringe group every time a game got made, none would be made at all. There are already plenty of flight sims that do not use icons, but they dont have some of the other things AH has. It would be nice to remove them to make the combat more realistic. If a persons comp cant handle that, or if they cant see it due to eyesight: who cares.

We already see this attitude with AH3. With people who are utterly flabergasted they they might have to upgrade. I dont care. I dont care what your money situation is, or what you want to spend on comp parts. If you cant upgrade, then you need to accept that you are part of the past and wont be able to play anymore. It is utterly crazy for every possible improvement to the game to be sidelined or disregarded because some 1% group cant handle it for whatever reason.

I play with a 42 inch screen 3 feet away, textures are set to 1024, and the graphics are all turned up. I don't play in the AvA arena for two reasons. One, if Im going to get HOed I might as well stay in the MAs because there are more people in there to fight, and two I cant stand the no icon setup they use in there. Should the icons disappear in the MAs you will see a mass exodus of players, not good for business.

Even with a top notch computer that many players including me have, the view is just not as good as real life. Depth perception as well as 3D detail is simulated and so no where as good as real life.

Now your attitude toward other players, that can be as much a turn off as the lack of icons.  :D

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2016, 05:51:26 PM »
I fly in FSO all the time. I am already a member of a squadron.

People get the attitude they deserve. Video games are not made for blind people. If we had to consider every stupid fringe group every time a game got made, none would be made at all. There are already plenty of flight sims that do not use icons, but they dont have some of the other things AH has. It would be nice to remove them to make the combat more realistic. If a persons comp cant handle that, or if they cant see it due to eyesight: who cares.

We already see this attitude with AH3. With people who are utterly flabergasted they they might have to upgrade. I dont care. I dont care what your money situation is, or what you want to spend on comp parts. If you cant upgrade, then you need to accept that you are part of the past and wont be able to play anymore. It is utterly crazy for every possible improvement to the game to be sidelined or disregarded because some 1% group cant handle it for whatever reason.

I would be more than happy to come to your house and every time you get a pilot wound, I hit you with a baseball bat.  how is that for playing with full realism.

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Re: No icons for AH3
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2016, 06:04:47 PM »
The player who shall remain unknown has a point about AH3 and dots "if" Hitech doesn't shrink the dot size back down with his final graphics tweeking for go-live. They are twice the size and darkness of AH2 dots past 6000yds. So I'm curious because he plays AH2 and knows AH3 probably from the beta, and Hitech has not changed the country layout in the beta MA.

The other shoe has not been dropped for this wish.

If he is not tossing rocks through a window to get the free entertainment of watching Barney Fife lock himself out of his police cruiser. Then no one has asked him the obvious question.

How do you propose to have no icons in a three country arena?

I'm curious what he has thought up to solve this.

1. - Eliminate all three countries and the moment you up anyone can kill you.
2. - Eliminate one country and separate the rides be allies vs axis.
3. - Keep all three countries with one EU\USA\Ru, GER\Italy, Japan. 

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