JUST DO IT

[Invictus84]

Sorry I lost track of who posted what about what game.

Heh.  No worries.  I think everyone has at this point.   

[DmonSlyr]

Heh,

some people talk a big game, but couldn't actually prove it with experience if they tried.  You can call it what ever you want Invictus, just like people who have to name every band by some sweetheart arse genra, but you couldn't even get top 10 fighter score in AH if you tried. You more than likey have a very miniscule rationality about how to play AH effectively.

AH takes a lot of patients to actually learn how to deal with unfair combat situations. Something no other game achieves as well as AH. You can criticize and critique all you want, but when you actually post some real fighter #s, I'll take you seriously in AH.

[Ack-Ack]

Heh,

some people talk a big game, but couldn't actually prove it with experience if they tried.  You can call it what ever you want Invictus, just like people who have to name every band by some sweetheart arse genra, but you couldn't even get top 10 fighter score in AH if you tried. You more than likey have a very miniscule rationality about how to play AH effectively.

AH takes a lot of patients to actually learn how to deal with unfair combat situations. Something no other game achieves as well as AH. You can criticize and critique all you want, but when you actually post some real fighter #s, I'll take you seriously in AH.

Oh please, spare us the "you have no skill to comment on AH" drivel.  Just because someone isn't in the Top 3 killers list of AH, doesn't mean they are not allowed to comment on the state of the game. 

You want to know something?  He has made some valid points about the game.  Now try telling me that I have no right to comment on AH.

[EskimoJoe]

Heh,

some people talk a big game, but couldn't actually prove it with experience if they tried.  You can call it what ever you want Invictus, just like people who have to name every band by some sweetheart arse genra, but you couldn't even get top 10 fighter score in AH if you tried. You more than likey have a very miniscule rationality about how to play AH effectively.

AH takes a lot of patients to actually learn how to deal with unfair combat situations. Something no other game achieves as well as AH. You can criticize and critique all you want, but when you actually post some real fighter #s, I'll take you seriously in AH.

You realize that score has absolutely zero to deal with actual skill, right?

But I am glad that you have more than enough time to dedicate to the game to achieve your goals, though.

Invictus, you seem like a nice enough guy. It's a little unfair how many people seemed to have taken a dislike to you for simply being into other games as well, but consider AH is probably all they have, and in all reality AH is a pretty solid game that has longevity over literally anything else in the market today. Take their pain with a grain of salt. It's a rough time for some players.

[DmonSlyr]

I'm tried of hearing his smack talk drivel.

I only play 15 hours a month. Which is far less than I'd like to.


If you don't like the game. Leave already. No one wants to listen to BS comparisons about "real life" combat. Each game has their niches. Get over it already.

Someone comes here and plays 3 months and think they they know how the game is. Psshh.

[Ack-Ack]

I'm tried of hearing his smack talk drivel.

I only play 15 hours a month. Which is far less than I'd like to.


If you don't like the game. Leave already. No one wants to listen to BS comparisons about "real life" combat. Each game has their niches. Get over it already.

Someone comes here and plays 3 months and think they they know how the game is. Psshh.

You should read Invictus84's posts, or at least have someone that can comprehend written words read the posts to you.  Invictus84 isn't talking smack about AH3, he's got some valid points.  The problem is actually you, you stick your head in the sand and ignore any valid criticism and label it "smack talk" and dismiss him because he isn't ranked high in fighters.

[Invictus84]

Heh,

some people talk a big game, but couldn't actually prove it with experience if they tried.  You can call it what ever you want Invictus, just like people who have to name every band by some sweetheart arse genra, but you couldn't even get top 10 fighter score in AH if you tried. You more than likey have a very miniscule rationality about how to play AH effectively.

AH takes a lot of patients to actually learn how to deal with unfair combat situations. Something no other game achieves as well as AH. You can criticize and critique all you want, but when you actually post some real fighter #s, I'll take you seriously in AH.

I have no real desire to post Top10 numbers in AH or any game for that matter.   I routinely fly into multi vs one situations that tend to result in low scores because I enjoy having fun.  I also haven't posted a single critque of AH.  You simply view my posts as such.

On the other hand, the only thing I've seen from you so far are posts bragging about your skills in AH (which I am sure are quite impressive    ) and a few insults which are the virtual pilot equivalent of threats to beat me up for my lunch money.   

By the way, I actually like AH III very much.

[rvflyer]

Are you a RL pilot?

The DCS flight models are about as good as you are going to get for PC. Anyone who believes AH has better flight models is lying to themselves.

[Oldman731]

Enemy planes are small and very hard to see, which is realistic.  I did a fighter combat experience a few years ago and even after an offset merge just finding the enemy was a major part of the fight.

Please make sure you post this in one of the "no icons" threads.

Thanks!

- oldman

[DmonSlyr]

I have no real desire to post Top10 numbers in AH or any game for that matter.   I routinely fly into multi vs one situations that tend to result in low scores because I enjoy having fun.  I also haven't posted a single critque of AH.  You simply view my posts as such.

On the other hand, the only thing I've seen from you so far are posts bragging about your skills in AH (which I am sure are quite impressive    ) and a few insults which are the virtual pilot equivalent of threats to beat me up for my lunch money.   

By the way, I actually like AH III very much.

It just sounds like you mock every persons posts, like you you know everything about flight model and "simulators" but my point about scoring is that if you can't achieve top 20 even, and or haven't flown AH for longer than a year, I don't think you can make an accurate assement of the flight models in AH based on your in game knowledge of how the airplanes fly. I just want you to see how hard it is to achieve, so that you can understand how much strategy this game actually takes. It's something no one really gives any credit for. I think that in itself makes this game better than the others.


This game brings the best fighter combat strategy in terms of online SA, air combat tactics, and ACM utilization.

The biggest thing that needs to be worked on IMO, to keep players interested, are the maps. They just need to be a little tighter in terms of base distance. It would make all the difference in the world.

[The Fugitive]

Since my name was brought up    Yes, I have been exploring the options out there and so far here is my synopsis:

War Thunder

I have invested very little time in this so far.  I tried getting into the full realism (cannot remember the true name) arena but no-one else was and I just sat there with a timer waiting to join a fight.  I tried the next level down, which I hated.  and which is why I have not been tempted to invest more time in it. I might try it again but I will have to be bored to tears to do that and that is not a good base from which to play a game.

BoS

I have started to explore this game.  So far I am really looking to set up all the controls properly and am playing some of the missions against AI.  There is no doubt the graphics are better than AHIII.  The physics of the flight model is up for debate in terms of my preference for a game but this may be down to my controller set up.  I experience a lot of initial lag in controller input and then of course I am over correcting causing a lot of bounce and a distinct lack of smooth flying.  The landings are much more difficult than in either AHIII or DCS but I put this down to the bounce.

My gunnery in this game is much worse than in AHII but on a par with AHIII.  A combination of the input bounce and lack of visual feedback on hits.  From videos I have seen on this game the input bounce is not limited to me and it is a big part of the reason I have not invested more time in the game.

DCS

I have had this game for some time now.  It flies very nicely.  Inputs are smooth and the terrain detail is very nice.  Enemy planes are small and very hard to see, which is realistic.  I did a fighter combat experience a few years ago and even after an offset merge just finding the enemy was a major part of the fight.

Graphics are very nice.  Gunnery is tricky, once again with the visuals being very similar to AHIII with no massive sprites to confirm you are on target.  I like the fact you can change the gunsight size, that is more realistic, but in terms of gameplay it adds little.  The biggest issue I have with DCS is the engine management part of the game.  I have tried the tutorials several times and always get stuck on the engine start tutorial as I simply cannot find a way to use the trim controls and primer buttons in the cockpit.  I use a macro to start the engine and that is how I get through the game.

This game flies so well, just I am not convinced I want to do all the engine management stuff.  Plus, a large portion of the community like more modern jets.  I have no interest for anything other than ww2.

AHIII

Despite some of you thinking I am a troll or out to promote other games, nothing could be further from the truth.  I am however a realist and not against speaking my mind.

AH is probably the best WW2 based fighter game out there.  It allows us to strap into a cockpit and within a very short period of time we are up and playing.  It is rather like chess, relatively easy to learn but with so many levels of mastery there is always someone better out there.  This is good for all level of players.

I never minded the AHII graphics and I am not convinced the AHIII change is much of a leap forward when compared to other games.  But I agree it needed to happen.  There are some really nice touches, like the clouds we now get to fly through and there are some horrors, like the light misty disc above our heads.  AHIII is still a work in progress and I am sure many of the glitches will be fixed.

If there was a fault you would have to look at planes such as the Brewster.  If they were that good in real life then I am sure they would have featured as killers in the war.  In addition to that I see planes flip and flop around in impossible fashion when people are 'stick stirring'.  We all know it and see it.  I have not seen that in other games and I would say that has to be a FM 'thing'

The biggest issue is IMO with the player base and the propensity to avoid combat.  That is 95% of the reason I have been actively seeking out other games.  And there is little Hitech can do to force people to fight.  That has to come from within the community.  I know I ran from Fugitive the other day as I had expended all my ammo, otherwise I would have stayed and killed him

Thanks for listening.

I agree with what you have said as I have seen pretty much the same things. However we will never know if you would have killed me you runnin SOB!   

[Invictus84]

It just sounds like you mock every persons posts, like you you know everything about flight model and "simulators" but my point about scoring is that if you can't achieve top 20 even, and or haven't flown AH for longer than a year, I don't think you can make an accurate assement of the flight models in AH based on your in game knowledge of how the airplanes fly. I just want you to see how hard it is to achieve, so that you can understand how much strategy this game actually takes. It's something no one really gives any credit for. I think that in itself makes this game better than the others.

I haven't mocked a single person in this thread, other than yourself and the Shuffler/Puller goon squad, and then only after I'd had it with the usual assortment of "you suck"  and fifth column posts.  Helpful Hint: I continue to do so later in this post. 

You also lack reading skills, as I never claimed AH wasn't challenging.  I said I catagorize AH as a "light" simulation.  I do so because it glosses over certain aspects of aircraft handling, engine management and other things and focuses only on the combat componant.  That is not a critique, it is a fact acknowledged at one time or another by just about everyone in this thread (including you).   As for acting like I know everything: I certainly don't, but I do have a perspective some here lack because they don't play other sims.  But don't take my word for it.  By no means am I the only person who has this perpective.  Why, you may even know someone who flies AH and other sims yourself!  (Another helpful hint.)

My original point, which continues to sail clean over that low ceiling you call a brain pan, is that AH has it's work cut out convicing players of similar games to switch over.  I personally think it can be done, but insulting them by saying their sim of choice has poor FMs, or that they are not in the Top5 AH fighters so they have no idea what they are talking about, or that they never won KoTH so they can't possibly have a clue about anything, certainly isn't helpful.  Given your boundless experience outside AH your opinions won't mean a hill of beans as far as they are concerned, but it might irritate enough to turn some off.

[Hajo]

Invictus you do post intelligently and reply to posts in the same manner.  I am sorry that some are giving you angst.  You are polite and express your views well.  However I really am at a quandary,

asking myself why someone from another sim/game is here. Are you really trying to be helpful?  Or are you here to stir the pot?  I really do hope that it is to be helpful.  If that is the case (helpful)  I applaud you.

Being a gentleman of older years (66) and being in the "SIM" community for well over 20 years I have my doubts when others from other combat flight sims/games, come here to question things about our

preferred MMOG.  I know I myself would not go to another's BBS and comment on their perceived shortcomings.  It's none of my business as I and many others are quite happy here.  Now, flight modeling.

That can be debated, but I do know what HiTech does for the flight models here.  I've been in these sims/games since air warrior, the grand daddy of them all.  The improvements through the years in

flight modeling and graphics have been huge.  Our graphics have been updated to the point that only a few more dollars spent on a better graphic card can enable most to play the game.  Don't need the top of

the line, just adequate to play.  Now, did you ever hear of NACA?  Do a search.  You'll find something interesting and informative.  Also the Smithsonian has great reference materials that anyone can acquire

for -1s  on WWII aircraft and prints and drawings and specs.  I've dealt with them before and they are quite accommodating.  And as I said in a previous post I have DCS and own the P51.  It is nice but it is a

smaller scale with a very limited plane set for the WWII era and fewer players and no special events.  Maybe that will be in the future for DCS I don't know.  Please forgive me if I have appeared to be short in previous posts. 

Was not meant to be.  But a subjective idea about flight modeling without any proof what so ever is just an opinion.  It is not based on fact.  Very few of us here have the knowledge to comment on accurate flight modeling.

As I stated before, if anyone in DCS can tell me definitively how an F4U handles without flying one (real) they have no right to comment on the virtual modeling.  Not meant to be insulting.  As Jack Webb would say

"just the facts M'am just the facts".

[Bear76]

You are joking, right? 

There is a reason why those games have high system requirements, and it is not just the eye candy.  The flight models are far more complex, and while not perfect all of them certainly reflect flight and combat conditions far, far better than Aces High.  One regular viewer of my stream called AH "sim light" and I tend to agree with that assessment. That isn't to say AH is not fun, but in the end it is at best gamey, maybe even more so than War Thunder.  I also think that is the crux to the question why many AH players never branch out: those other games are too complex and not gamey enough.

Hi Fulcy, kisses

[puller]

Hi Fulcy, kisses

No way!!!!!!!