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Offline ONTOS

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Bomb and Bail
« on: October 27, 2016, 01:43:26 PM »
Bomb and Bail's have become epidemic since AH III. (Not blaming AH III)At least one a day, and one time in a two hour period, four bomb and bails. Just frustrating.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 01:53:30 PM »
Ive had a few guys bail even before they drop.  As soon as I'm in icon range theyre jumping out.


I just dont get it..
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Offline DubiousKB

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 02:07:27 PM »
It happens. I don't normally but if life calls me away from keyboard i'm in the silk.

Most times I get PM's telling me to be a man and fly an aircraft instead of pointing and clicking them to the tower.  :x

Frustrating for sure, but it is what it is.
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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 02:13:49 PM »
this problem has been brought up before--
nothing can be done about it, as long as they are not openly cheating.
they are paying to play.
you can't tell a player how to play his/her game. that would be wrong.

I do commend players who do go after bombers. :airplane:
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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 02:22:09 PM »
Low number slow times bring out the BnBers for some reason.  I don't get it either, but as stated there's nothing that can be done for it that isn't either gamey as hell or unfairly penalizes the incompetent.

I consider it as just something that needs to be put up with.  Same as runners in aircraft, same as people who live in ground guns.

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Offline Vulcan

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 02:37:09 PM »
There are guys trying to nurse scores, especially in low hours.

Name and shame, that is what I started doing: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382661.0.html

Both TKO and Cheyenne denied vehemently they didn't do it. Within 5-10 mins of them doing it I have film on the BBS. Nothing like a good shaming, especially if they're in a squad.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »
I was in a single bomber nearing a target with an enemy closing in from 5k, replying to PMs and such.
I somehow managed to get the flashing l to not work in the chat bar, pressed enter to send the message, which didn't then send it. Wondered what was going on and pressed enter twice and I was promptly bailed out, should I be named and shamed Vulcan?
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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2016, 02:53:43 PM »
Ive had a few guys bail even before they drop.  As soon as I'm in icon range theyre jumping out.

Count that as a win.  You stopped him from hitting his target.  And you didn't even have to use any bullets to do it.
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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2016, 03:17:58 PM »
There are guys trying to nurse scores, especially in low hours.

Name and shame, that is what I started doing: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382661.0.html

Both TKO and Cheyenne denied vehemently they didn't do it. Within 5-10 mins of them doing it I have film on the BBS. Nothing like a good shaming, especially if they're in a squad.

Respectfully Vulcan, I'd submit that naming and shaming does very very little to curb the behavior.  Over the years I've seen the same guys do it regardless of how many people bleat on 200 or the forum about it.

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Offline Vulcan

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 04:34:25 PM »
I was in a single bomber nearing a target with an enemy closing in from 5k, replying to PMs and such.
I somehow managed to get the flashing l to not work in the chat bar, pressed enter to send the message, which didn't then send it. Wondered what was going on and pressed enter twice and I was promptly bailed out, should I be named and shamed Vulcan?

both films are 3 ships. Most people usually remap their bail key, you must be new around here.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2016, 04:36:11 PM »
Respectfully Vulcan, I'd submit that naming and shaming does very very little to curb the behavior.  Over the years I've seen the same guys do it regardless of how many people bleat on 200 or the forum about it.

Wiley.

Yeah, I would so both got somewhat angry at me for posting the film. There is some satisfaction in that. I'm also quite surprised at the number of downloads.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2016, 04:45:14 PM »
I've been around for a while, I haven't remapped the bail key, and no, Dolby isn't new. I don't like Bomb and bailers, but I don't like vigilantes either.
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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2016, 05:12:46 PM »
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nothing can be done about it, as long as they are not openly cheating.
they are paying to play.
you can't tell a player how to play his/her game. that would be wrong.

It can be fixed...

It's called attrition warfare. Give each base, based on its size a set number of aircraft/vehicle points, All planes/tanks will have a cost to operate, late warplanes are more expensive... early warplanes are cheap. If you make it back to a base, the points for the plane go back into the force pool for the base you land at. You don't make it home the points are lost and have to be resupplied. We could take it one more step by replacing the current ENY.  Instead of denying use to a plane based on your sides current population ( your team outnumbers every one)The game just makes them cost more to use, If you are on the side that is outnumbered your planes are gonna be dirt cheap.

So...

If you're on the side of the most players and want to fly at the P-51 you still can, it is just going to your cost base your more.

Want to bomb and bail you still can, but your side will have less  planes to play with.

You want to furball?  You still can but, eventually one side or the other is going to run out of planes and your base will fall.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2016, 05:25:26 PM »
It can be fixed...

It's called attrition warfare.

Nope nope nope. They had this is ww2ol, it was a pain. There were significant problems with griefers. Guys would have 2 accounts and simply empty a town of vehicles. Or auger aircraft on the runway.

The MA is the MA, melees with whatever people want to fly. Ideally we need some sort of historical arena with a background AI fight going on 24/7. But that's a big task to achieve.

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Re: Bomb and Bail
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2016, 05:59:18 PM »
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Nope nope nope. They had this is ww2ol, it was a pain.


No sir I played WW2ol too, it worked well.

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