Top P51 pilot

[Zigrat]

easymo thats the best post you have ever made

 

[RAM]

Hang...thanks,bud, you have solved my doubts for flying in bishland or rookland...I'll fly bishcuit country as in Tour6 you'll be flying G10 always...and I must see it!!!  

Hristo is one of the best, if not the best, duel pilot all around and G10 is the ultimate plane to make enemy planes hang in prop in a rope a dope.

Sorry Hang, but I think you will regret your challenge   . you have challenged Hartmann's reencarnation  



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[Karnak]

Mind you that this is Fishu who got that VERY impressive score.  The same Fishu that doesn't play because the Allied aircraft are all fly by wire, over modeled dweeb-craft while the German fighters are all massively undermodeled.  Nearly everytime I see a comment by him, it is a snide remark in a thread about an Allied aircraft to the effect of insinuating that those of us who fly Allied are all cheating.

So my question to Fishu, given that you have personally demonstrated supreme skill and survivability in German aircraft, would be this:  In what specific way are Allied aircraft overmodeled and German aircraft undermodeled?

Based on the current scores and feats such as your own, they seem to be fully competitive within the current planeset.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Toad]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
I have one request though, please. Can we use HTH ? I really mind paying 30$ for a duel.

Heck, let's make this interesting.

Why doesn't the loser pay for the other guy's account for a month?

Or, since Hristo has the better accelerating, better climbing, cannon-armed aircraft, how bout some odds?

I'd be willing to wager Hristo $30 if given decent odds to account for the 109's superiority in this particular duel scenario.

That way, when he wins, I'd be paying his way for a month and he wouldn't be out a thing.

Just thought I'd toss a gallon of 150 octane on the campfire.

 

[RAM]

 

Or, since Hristo has the better accelerating, better climbing, cannon-armed aircraft, how bout some odds?

I really hope that you arent saying that G10 has better weapons than P51...becausse I trade 6x50cals for G10's weapons anytime.

And while G10 climbs and accelerates very well, P51 has many things to show too.

Toad the challenge was done, and accepted. The conditions were accepted by both sides. I think that a H2H arena duel is perfectly available as the film can be posted here.No need for a public show if one of the 2 pilots has no account...and hristo right now hasnt.

[Torque]

Egos and spedos when will it ever end..

[Hristo]

Ehh, Toad, why do you make me feel like a cheater ?  

I haven't flown AH for almost a month now. Is that against the odds enough for you ?

G-10 is better accelerator and climber. P 51 has in fact lower wingloading in light configuration, all in all better control harmony and dive. Which of these things can be successfully used in a duel, remains to be seen.

As for paying 30$, I will make myself clear. I only opened an account for this duel. Right now I can't play AH for quite a considerable time : not because there is something wrong with the game, but because I have other obligations.

And yes, Luftwaffe pilots are the best.

[RAM]

Hristo why dont you mail HTC asking for permission to open a trial account? make clear you only want it for one day to make the duel and they may say yes.

Try it, 30$ is a lot of money to waste in an one day duel.


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[Toad]

Ram:

I believe the G10 has a choice of gun packages. Hristo can load a single centerline 20mm or a single centerline 30mm and he can add a pair of gondola 20 mm's to either of those. I doubt anyone would argue that cannons are a major advantage in AH. So, yes, I would say there are definitely SUPERIOR gun packages available for the G10 versus the P-51.

However, these packages do come with other performance penalties so his choice will depend on the type of fight Hristo plans to use, won't it? But the G10 clearly has better gun packages available to it than the P-51 does.

As for performance, the AH graphs show the following at 10K as specified in the duel challenge (I don't know the gun config for these numbers, however):

P-51 TAS 405
G10  TAS 405

P-51 WEP ROC 3100 FPM
G10  WEP ROC 4500 FPM

The difference in accleration is undocumented but I doubt there are many folks that would argue that AH's P-51 will significantly out-accelerate a G-10 in just about any circumstance.

As to terms...

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:
Oh My..

My pony vs yer g10. Navy Duel. Level co-alt pass; 10k at merge, guns cold; then fights on. Best of 5. If I lose; I fly a g10 for tour 6. If you lose; you fly a pony tour 6.

Duel in main arena.. lets let the ALL folks have a looksee at this. Film required.  

Now pick up the gauntlet or get lost.  

Hang

You will note, RAM, that the original offer was in the MAIN ARENA. Hristo's first acceptance was unconditional..he accepted these terms in the very next post.

Later he mentioned the $30. I'm just trying to make it totally painless for him. He's going to win hands down, right?

So I'll be paying his way the whole month.

...and I don't mind doing that at all. He's a class act and nice to have in the arena.

[Hedu of JG26 Warbirds]

Toad, On the subject of 109 load outs, Only a moron is gonna take a 30mm in his load out.  This cannon was made for buff killing, Not dogfighting, and rate of fire and velocity both suffer.  The 20mm is the best way top go, but again, the 20mm and 2 MGs are a lite load out, where as 6 .50 cals are a very strong load.  You gotta get in close for the cannon(s) to do anything, hisorically, where the spray and pray of the 50 cals works wonders.

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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver

[Staga]

Are you guys sure about this duel ?

Hangtime in G-10 is the last thing I want to see on my 6 o'clock  

[RAM]

I'm with Hedu. Only a stupid would load gondolas in a H2H duel. that things kill the climbrate and rollrate of the 109...and you are cutting his wings.

A 30mm is available but again weights more and is not good for a close fight. I am quite sure he'll load a single 20mm
And 1x20mm 2x13mm is much weaker than 6x50cals.

About who will win? I place mu bets on him. I saw him flying that 109. I saw Hang flying P51. I admire both. But the only previous engagement I remember ended in a 3-0 kill for Hristos, even when hang bounced him from much higher last fight. I studied those fights as the fighter bible and if I are now here and I know what I do is mostly because what I learnt from those films.

I fully respect Hangtime as one of the best pilots in Aces High. but I simply think that hristo is better.

<S!> to both.



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[Hristo]

Toad, if it ever comes to subscribing, I am able to cover the costs. No need for your help, thank you.

Now Hang, when do we meet ?

[mavric]

Quotes by Hristo:

"Best pilots are always Luftwaffe and you prove it."

"And yes, Luftwaffe pilots are the best."

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Now there`s an intelligent statement

How old are you?

Are there very good LW pilots in these sims? Yes

Are there very good Allied pilots in these sims? Yes

Same goes for real life.  Get a grip.



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Mavric ~ X.O.
WB 325th FG

[RAM]

Mavric , calm down and dont misinterpret his words. If you read again the posts you will see that he says that In AH LW pilots are best all around pilots than allied iron pilots. And I must agree.

Why?...well most of us have been fighting in a flying brick, Fw190A8 (I love that brick so much that I still fly it even with A5 here   ). others flew 109 G2 and G10.

LW planes are Specialized planes with SERIOUS drawbacks but with some excellent advantages that make up for the drawbacks. In A8 advantages are rollrate and firepower, mixed with a moderately good E-keeping at high speeds. Drawbacks are very hi wingloading that makes it turn horrible when slow, average acceleration and very bad climbrate. If you learn to fly an A8 in the defensive I bet you that you can fly any plane here with no problem.

g2 and G10 have their drawbacks on hispeed controll stiffening and ligtht weapons. G10 has a damned wingloading but can run like hell. G2 has much better wingloading but cant run as G10.

As you can see they are always a compromise between advantages and disadvantages.

Allied planes are more on the side of the all around qualities. Spitfire is a very good example of this. P38 too. P51 while better suited for BnZ has still better wingloading than Fw190A8 or 109G10, plus it has combat flaps. F4U is not that all around plane, is the only exception...but a F4U handles like a Fw190A8, with better turn but worse acceleration...and equal rollrate.

What do I mean with this?...put an allied plane pilot in a 109G10 and he will be lost. put an allied plane in a Fw190A8 and he will eat dust. Put a Fw190A8 pilot in a P51 and see how he behaves...or in a P38...or in a spitfire...

A pilot can be WONDERFUL in a plane. Hangtime is for me one of the top sticks here. but if (when   ) he loses the challenge and is forced to fly the G10 he will be in a serious trouble for the first days.
If(no way   ) Hristo loses the challenge , when he gets a p51 he will rock from the very start, with only a minutes of adaptation.

I know what I am talking for because I do fly Fw190A8 in the MA, but in the duel ladder fights my favorite rides are the C202,La5 and the SpitIX...(I dont get the spit too much because my reputation would suffer   ).

Hope you get my point here. No insult intended but LW pilots are better all around pilots than Allied, because we are forced so by our planes. With 190A5 this has changed a bit but as I said I fly A8 a lot still...


Of course I talk as a whole. I suck in AH...but thats another story  


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