Top P51 pilot

[funked]

Hristo you silly person.  

"Best pilots are always Luftwaffe and you prove it."

Fishu was a good pilot, according to the scores.  I never tangled with him personally.  You were also a good pilot, but you seem to have left the flying community.

But to say the best pilots are always Luftwaffe, it was probably a true statement in real life.  But in sims, hell no.  The "best" pilots fly all kinds of planes.

"Allied pilots are just bunch of opportunists."

You know that's not true.  I flew with JG 5 for a long time.  Now I lead an RAF unit.  You think I made this choice so I could boost my personal score?  So I could fly this 1942 RAF plane set against the 1944 USA and Axis plane set?  Your statement is ridiculous.

[Rude]

Man...out makin a living and look what happens

Hristo...I never duel...I never have dueled...I dont turn fight the 51....I accept your silly challenge and sure hope you can back it up.

How silly you will look if a sissy 51 jock like myself takes you to school...me, I should lose bein that you are the superior Luftwafaberry person that you are

Cyas Up Tough Guy

Rude Out!

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Toad:
Fishu,

Are you currently flying this game? If so, what handle(s) are you using? I see no scores for "Fishu" in Tours 1-5.

I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.

[Rude]

BTW Ypsilon...

Congrats on a great Tour

Rude Out!

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
In what specific way are Allied aircraft overmodeled and German aircraft undermodeled?

Let's browse some history..
P-51 was once a plane that did not stall properly and was quite light.
Spitfire had once awesome high altitude performance.
P-51 had couple other issues too that i dont right now remember, hmm..

Bf109 had in one version wep missing or something that caused it to lose alot of speed (i tested it and they fixed it, thank god)
Bf109 also had once so hard torque that auto pilot did not keep it flying straight without about 180mph or so.
Bf109 had very long time belly landings near to impossible when compared to other planes that could have pointed nose down for a belly landing without blowing up.
F4U is said to have very bad torque, "Ensign eliminator", but I really havent seen that, its quite easy to fly and torque is barely noticable, while in BF109 it rolls over the plane easily. (alot easier compared to F4U)
First takeoff with F4u was like taking off in a P-38    (wheres the torque, which ive heard so much of!)

So, it seems that there flips alot downgrading glitches for german planes, and more those bonus glitches for allied.
Currently Fw 190A-5 is missing 20mph from its top speed, at least what I've read.. (405mph for A-8, 420-425mph depending on source for A-5)
I made offline test, i barely got 415mph with WEP, without, 395mph was about there. (20k/22.5k)

and there were many other issues too  
man, they went to upgrade .50 cals, and I had no problem shooting +6 fighters per flight in P-51, cold blooded, with one snap/burst shot! (even scoring kills with 2 remaining .50 calibers after 4 used up all ammo, were no problemo)

I remember the sortie in Spitfire when I killed like 21-24 fighters on a strafing sortie, only needed 1-2 shots of 20mm and I could have said for sure that guy is dead now. (last kill, i had 2 cannon shots left, guy was too close for my convergence, i hit his engine, he crashed due to stall without engine power)
I did that same once with Bf109G-10, 13 kills, I had to hit alot more with MG151/20 than with Hispano. (I know I know, Hispanos are better, but not THAT much better I figure)

Sorry about this long story, but karnak requested for it.. erhm.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Toad:
Ram:
So, yes, I would say there are definitely SUPERIOR gun packages available for the G10 versus the P-51.

Give me 4x.50cal for my Bf109 anyday, ill take it!

[Hangtime]

Lordy Hristo... we have a duel!

Hristo.. damn glad to have you back amongst us. And I'm itching to get another crack at yah.. this time in a level fight.  

This weekend anytime were both likely to be awake is fine and if I'm breathin, I'm likely flying in the MA... Just say when yer on.

RAM.. I have those tapes of our previous duel.. yes; I had an alt advantage on the firt merge; but he had a massive E advantage... and I had NO idea who that was I was tangoing with till my head got handed to me at the end of the first fight. The next two engagements were Hristo's advantage all the way... alt and E. In addition; this was beta three.. and the G10 was still un-neutered; the stang having already been gelded.

This time around all the cards will be on the table.. Hristo has a better plane for the fight at the altitude selected; and the pony has an edge in the guns.. tho to be truthful with the snapshot opportunuites likley to be presented; Hristo will again have the edge as it's doubtful indeed I'll get saddled up for a tracking shot.

Speed advantages are nil.. this will be an in-your-face dogfight; and I doubt either one of us will be running very far at all... unless it's just down to the deck for the final decison. I expect a hard fight; mostly in the vertical; with e management and gunnery being the main factor in determining the victor.. the planes are very good historical matches for one another. Again; I'd say the G10 has then overall edge.. it can climb like a mo-fo at 10k.

Hristo.. Minor point.. accceptance of the duel indicates acceptance of conditions... all conditions. This includes location; and penalties for loss... and folks; I am NOT looking forward to driving that lousy ugly pockmarked crude crate of crummy curses in tour six.. but I will if I lose. And Hristo... I do much better under pressure.  

Gents.. I'll ask that the grid we meet in be CLEARED; no fighter a/c of any type will be allowed within vis range. Two 'seconds' from either squad will be allowed in the grid to enforce this.. anybody wandering too close to the duel will be summarily executed by the seconds. The four nominated 'seconds' will cooperate in this. I do not wish for Hristo to be un-necessarily nervous; however, to keep it on the up-and-up; I do insist on the duel being held in the MA.. it's where I fly, and where I'd rather die.  

Bookmaking... I nominate Yankee to hold all bets if she's willing. I suspect she can be reached at HTC during normal working hours. Winners must forfit 10% to the Vetrans Association of their choice.

Good luck Hristo!

SALUTE!

Hang



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[funked]

Fishu:

"Currently Fw 190A-5 is missing 20mph from its top speed, at least what I've read.."

The most I have seen is 415 mph from a US Navy source.  RLM, Fw, USAAF are all in the 400 to 410 mph range.  I'm pretty sure I've got more 190 data than you.

As for your other comments, I think they show that you haven't played since beta.

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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by funked:
Fishu was a good pilot, according to the scores.  I never tangled with him personally.  You were also a good pilot, but you seem to have left the flying community.
B]

I think we have fought together, I've been doing alot kills under other couple other names tho  

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by funked:

The most I have seen is 415 mph from a US Navy source.  RLM, Fw, USAAF are all in the 400 to 410 mph range.  I'm pretty sure I've got more 190 data than you.
its top speed, at least what I've read.."

As for your other comments, I think they show that you haven't played since beta.
B]

I did play 1.2  
I don't have just one source, I've been years into WW2 fighters.. ehm.
I might not have part serial #'s etc. but I know basics at least.

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.

You quit Aces High when it went pay. No?  

I'm also a 109/190 guy and threads like this one are where people pick up all the insulting ammo to hurl at us LW types.

I have learned over a while, the best way to approach a duel is to downplay your skills at dueling. Let the other guy think he's gonna win, then kick the living snot out of him in the duel. It really sends a blow to their ego.   When you give your After Action Report, compliment the other fella courteously for the skill he has shown.

Trust me, this is a much better way to gain respect from your fella pilots.  

[Toad]

Aircraft performance considerations aside, I will still maintain that the G10 has more leathal gun packages available than the P51. That's what I said originally and I still believe it to be true, from a strict leathality point of view.

Fishu, are you flying now? If so, under what names? Or do you have something to hide?
As good as you apparently are, one would think there'd be no need to fly under an alias.

Hristo, on this "best pilot" stuff are you saying that the best pilots only fly one aircraft or are you saying that the best pilots only fly one LW aircraft?

There's many guys that fly only one type. Not all of those fly LW. So where are you coming down on this?


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[funked]

Fishu, if you have a source for a 420 mph speed on any Fw 190A, I'd love to know what it is.

[Pongo]

Karnak.
You really have to give the 190A8 and the 109G6 a trial in the MA. Its hard to explain.
I know that you do not want too fly either plane and why. But it is really hard to explain how much easier the Spit IX in particular is to fly. It was definaltly easier to fly in RL...how much is the issue that leads to hard feelings.
The other German planes are not so unforgiving as these two, and the G10 does have some real advantages to use. The 190A5 feels almost Supermarine like in its handling and stability(corse the Brit pilots that flew it comented on its great flying qualities at the time too..)
Staying away from the german planes the best bet to get a feeling for it would be a typhoon. The forthought and gentle hand you have to use to be successful with the typhy although entirly different then the german planes gives you a feeling for the challanges of flying German Iron. And it shows you the advantages of the spitfire.

If you get a 2 to 1 kill to death in the typhy you have done something. For an experiaced pilot to do that in a Spit is just a good start.

[funked]

Hmm I get the same ratio in the Tiffie and the Spit.  What is wrong with me?