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Offline Vraciu

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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2016, 11:32:24 AM »
Most are back on channel 1 now. :aok
You logged off and have no idea what is going on in the game after that.


A literalist I see...

No, I am not on atm.   (Got frustrated and haven't bothered to up in weeks.) But some of my friends still are.   Not missing much in my normal time window I am told. 

When the skin updater is fixed I will try again and report back to you.  I predict ENY spiking remains unchanged during low-number time periods. 
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2016, 12:03:17 PM »
Often the B isn't available either. 

I've posted screenshots of ridiculous ENY values. 

When ENY regularly exceeds the number of players on your team that's a problem.
Yes, sometimes the B will be locked too, but not nearly as often as the D.

I guess locked oneself to a single airframe like that is just a different preference from where I am, but I do remember how it was before ENY and it was an even bigger problem.  I don't know that there is a solution that works to solve both problems.
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2016, 12:11:49 PM »
So many of these complaints could be eliminated with zone ENY in conjunction with arena ENY.

If your team outnumbers the rest, fly against the biggest horde and you can fly your ENY aircraft. If you are on the lower number team and are steamrolling undefended bases without opposition, you have to fly the poorer performing aircraft.

It is a simple fix that would eliminate at least some of the whining.

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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2016, 12:12:36 PM »
Yes, sometimes the B will be locked too, but not nearly as often as the D.

I guess locked oneself to a single airframe like that is just a different preference from where I am, but I do remember how it was before ENY and it was an even bigger problem.  I don't know that there is a solution that works to solve both problems.

I hear ya. 

I find the D a challenge.  I am trying to learn how to fight in it.   When it gets locked out I get annoyed.

I don't mind the concept of ENY overall.   What stinks is when you have 30 players online and ENY is 25.   It's maddening and could be tweaked. 
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2016, 12:13:19 PM »
So many of these complaints could be eliminated with zone ENY in conjunction with arena ENY.

If your team outnumbers the rest, fly against the biggest horde and you can fly your ENY aircraft. If you are on the lower number team and are steamrolling undefended bases without opposition, you have to fly the poorer performing aircraft.

It is a simple fix that would eliminate at least some of the whining.

I think zone-based ENY is a nice concept. 
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2016, 12:14:01 PM »
As to the plane actually being discussed here, the P-51D, I've never understood why the P-51B is not an acceptable substitute.  It is extremely similar to the P-51D.  Closer than any two A6Ms, Bf109s, Fw190s, Spitfires or Yaks are to each other.

Not enough guns, not enough ords. If I'm flying a P-51 it's usually because I want a good ord package plus the ability to fight well after dropping it. And my gunnery just isn't good enough for 4 .50s, they're especially terrible to try and kill any bomber with, you pretty much have to park on their butt and spray them forever. Six .50s is already kinda marginal. OTOH a Spit VIII doesn't really carry enough ords to be very useful as a jabo so flying a Spit IX instead isn't much of a loss even though the difference in engine power is a bit more than that between the two P-51s. The same goes for the various F4Us, the loss of 2,000 lbs. or so of ords is more significant than the performance differences so ENY takes the F4U completely off the table for some mission profiles even when you still have some F4U models available.

I don't log because ENY kicks in but I will log when it gets to a certain point, depending on the situation. As has been pointed out once it gets past about 20 jabo choices become extremely limited and CV choices become atrocious. If it gets to the point where I'm forced to fly an A6M2 because that's all ENY will let me fly, forget it, I'm logging. I sometimes fly a 190A5 for the fun of it, and it works out okay in a furball where your SA and decision making is as important as your plane, but in a 1v1 against something that can build E literally twice as fast as you can it's hopeless, you'll never get a shot in unless the other player is completely incompetent (or more than usually chivalrous). And as many have mentioned ENY rarely reflects the actual numbers in the fight you're in. Which country is more heavily engaged on which front is more important, and ENY does nothing to reflect that. One country can be outnumbered substantially and have a high ENY because both other countries are ganging up on the one that can only fly early war planes. And as I said in the other ENY topic it gets really awful at night when a lot of people are logged on but not actually playing; in that situation it's easy to be outnumbered 2-1 and have a 25 ENY because you have tons of people who are AFK all night.

Side switching is not a useful option late at night. The numbers swing again and you're stuck on the side you've switched to. When you get down to 50 players or less in the arena ENY just doesn't work.

The idea of spending perk points to fly planes that would otherwise be unavailable due to ENY is interesting, but it suffers from the same two flaws as the existing perk system does: one, it would encourage timidity because people want to keep the perks (this could and should be fixed by using up the perk points regardless of whether you die, ditch, or land) and two, more important, it means the uber rides would be out of reach for newer players but easily available for long-time veterans, which is exactly the opposite of how things should be. New players are the ones who really need to have the most capable and easiest to fly planes to have a chance, and skilled veterans are the ones who can consistently get kills in Mossies and Brewsters.

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With numbers as bad as they are and still dropping that attitude is not helpful. Back when there were 2000+ people playing losing a few people didn't matter, but we're dangerously close to a tipping point where the number of people leaving starts to snowball since the ones who are left can't find decent fights and quit the game themselves.

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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2016, 12:40:51 PM »
Most of the time I will stay online even with ENY but it is damned frustrating. I will try and find another ride but depends on the situation. I'm typically a bomber and fly Lanc's a lot. When those are hit with ENY I try 17's / 26's. After that I end up getting pushed into something with little payload making it worthless to bomb. Similar situation when I fly fighters. SO often I'll just do something else like GV instead, or ultimately after a period of time logoff.

The larger frustration comes from when my country has been hammered and we're down to low percentage of owned bases AND hit with ENY 20+ at the same time. It's a like pouring salt in a wound / adding insult to injury. There is little to no chance to defend...or make headway at that point.

I think overall there needs to be some ENY / limiting factors to help level the playing field. There have been some good suggestions discussed here and in the other thread already.

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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2016, 12:58:30 PM »
1 hour side switch...we wouldn't be talking about ENY as often
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2016, 01:09:11 PM »
1 hour side switch...we wouldn't be talking about ENY as often

I think there would still be an issue...maybe not as much. Some players / squads stick to one country only (our squad is one of those). You also wouldn't want a few players from one squad switching to another country and the remainder of the squad staying in the same country. Starts padding numbers, etc causing more problems / gripes (although they can do that now...but not nearly as much with the 6 hour switch).

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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2016, 01:18:09 PM »
I hear ya. 

I find the D a challenge.  I am trying to learn how to fight in it.   When it gets locked out I get annoyed.

I don't mind the concept of ENY overall.   What stinks is when you have 30 players online and ENY is 25.   It's maddening and could be tweaked.

Maybe there are 20 on one team.


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I have seen where there could be 2 teams with 10 each and there be one on the third team and the eny goes bonkers. If that one moves to another team then the ENY goes away.... even though there are zero on the third team. That is a bit odd.
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2016, 02:14:13 PM »
Maybe there are 20 on one team.


In MW back in AHII,
I have seen where there could be 2 teams with 10 each and there be one on the third team and the eny goes bonkers. If that one moves to another team then the ENY goes away.... even though there are zero on the third team. That is a bit odd.

I posted screenshots of this and it was not twenty on one team.  Nrshida also posted some.  I will search later if I get time.   

The swings were massive.   With numbers that low it becomes chaotic.   As others have said, when numbers are below a certain number it should just be turned off. 

Yeah that's one scenario you mention right there.      I think the morning crew would be fine with ENY being disabled below 50 or so total players. 
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2016, 11:09:21 PM »
I think there would still be an issue...maybe not as much. Some players / squads stick to one country only (our squad is one of those). You also wouldn't want a few players from one squad switching to another country and the remainder of the squad staying in the same country. Starts padding numbers, etc causing more problems / gripes (although they can do that now...but not nearly as much with the 6 hour switch).
padding numbers is pretty obvious to see with the score system so thats not a problem....the only gripe is spying and if someone is that serious about the map and the bases(winning the war) then they got the concept all wrong...AWACS might be an issue but seems to be accepted.
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2016, 10:19:00 AM »
I remembered last night the trouble 1 to 3 hour switch would cause-esp the 1 hour-spieing-you take a port and cv-then you hide cv-1 player for the side that lost port could switch and tell his comrades where the cv is-can do the same thing but mostly not.

I think the 6-hour side switch is a compromise-remember it used to be 12hr's

if people used eny the way was intended prob wouldn't be a problem. country with the eny prob needs to transfer some peeps for 12 hours

oh well whatever. if people not going to switch then no need to gripe about it
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2016, 10:31:16 AM »
I bet the ENY whiners would howl if mandatory side balancing was put into effect. With ALL the planes at the disposal of players, there is no reasonable excuse for all this ENY whining. The only workable alternative is mandatory side balancing, and that would really put some little girl panties in a wad.
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Re: Poll to follow up on ENY Question
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2016, 10:34:51 AM »
I bet the ENY whiners would howl if mandatory side balancing was put into effect. With ALL the planes at the disposal of players, there is no reasonable excuse for all this ENY whining. The only workable alternative is mandatory side balancing, and that would really put some little girl panties in a wad.

No, actually that's not the "only" (tm) solution. 

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