Punish bailers

[haggerty]

I love intercepting bombers but I'm getting really sick of them hiding off map and then bailing as soon as you spot them.  I'm not sure how to fix it...perhaps sending video to someone, getting their bails converted to deaths and the hunter credited with the 3 kills?   Or maybe increase the proxy range atleast for bombers, if anyone is within visual range and you bail, the hunter should be credited for causing that fear to happen.

[EagleDNY]

Universal shaming would probably work best:
System Message: <UserID> just bailed from a perfectly good aircraft!

Or perhaps an even better solution would be a new ACHIEVEMENT! 
AT 10 bails: System Message: <UserID> has just been awarded the Order of the Silk Chicken! 

[guncrasher]

you do understand that a bail is consider a death right?


semp

[Ack-Ack]

you do understand that a bail is consider a death right?


semp

That's not how the game treats it, otherwise the game would lump bails with deaths but it doesn't because bails (along with discos, deaths, and captured) factor into your score.

Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

So, a bail is not considered a death in terms of how the game scores.

[guncrasher]

+bails+captures+deaths+1.

so it lumps bails, captures and deaths into the same category.  you can say a death is the same as a bail or a capture. or maybe a bail is the same as a capture or a death.  but I think the game just wants you to know how many times you bailed, got captured or died if you cared to know that.

what is the point of converting bails to death when they are treated as the same thing.


semp

[Lusche]

You two are both right.

For score point purposes (which, as 'kill points' and 'damage points' is a art of the score rank calculation), bails are different from 'true deaths', having a point modifier of 0.5 instead of 0.25 if you got outright killed.

However, for purposes of computing things like kills/death or damage/death, which is part of the score/rank calculation, too, it's actually the same as a death. Just like the formula AKAK presented actually shows.

[pembquist]

I have said it before I'll say it again:

5 reasons bomber pilots bail:

1.) Screw You Cowboy: Bombing at 30K flying for 2 hours, "When I blow the crap out of this city my need for agency, so unsatisfied in real life will finally be met, euphoria will ensue," watch nme defender darbar grow, when nme fighter within 4K bail. Rationale: passive aggresion more satisfying (bird in hand) than the remote possibility of shooting down nme fighter (2 in bush,) especially when compared to the despair from the shame of failing in an effing VIDEO GAME. "WHY CAN'T I EVER WIN????"

2.) Oh For Chris'sakes: "I have no control surfaces 2 engines etc., my time is valuable for chris'sakes I'm not going to wait around for mister egomaniac fighter jock to set up his high speed off angle run just so he can feel glorious, sorry to offend but its a tough world buddy."

3.) I'm on a MISSION: (not a mission in the sense of pickupmission but in the sense of MISSSION,) "I've GOT to KILL those hangars/gvs in town/ack factory as part of my megalomaniacal plan, the bomber is a tool to be discarded when not working,  it doesn't work without bombs, duhhh!! My time is important and I have a JOB TO DO, sorry bub if you don't like it you can go furball with your (young cat/type of willow,) friends."

4.) AFK: Player launched about 90 minutes ago and immediately ALT TAB back to work. Now he's got 15 minutes to play between sales calls, back in the game...."huh, look how far I've gone" RETURN RETURN RETURN "where's a furball anyway...oh look at that big red darbar over the HQ, funny I was just there."

5.) ALT F4: The player hears keys in the front door and remembers all those casual promises he made 5 hours ago in the morning to his wife things like: paint the house, buy groceries, get a job, turn off the stove, feed the baby etc etc and realizes he is still in his underwear with a puddle of drool on his keyboard ALT F4 ALT F4 ALT F4 ALT F4 ALT F4 ALT F4, panic panic, despair, shame, suicidal thoughts etc. etc. "People were lined up my 6? I've got bigger problems bub, anyone know a good divorce lawyer??"

[flatiron1]

does getting kills in bombers affect score? If it doesn't it should. That would be a incentive not to bail I think.

[Lusche]

does getting kills in bombers affect score?

No.
But someone who bails that way doesn't care about score anyway, because bailing badly hurts it (if you'd fight, you might have a chance to get home for better score).

[Greebo]

I agree the way to reduce this issue would be to make it so that any bomber that bails is scored as a kill (or kills) to the nearest fighter in dot range, assuming another player hasn't already scored damage on that bomber. That takes away the "screw you" incentive, or at least reduces the time wasted by an interceptor if the bomber bails prior to him coming into dot range.

[Zoney]

Stop feeding the Trolls who bomb and bail.  They exist and take sustenance from your frustration.  Don't talk about it, don't PM them, don't call them out on 200.  You know their gameplay failed, they know their gameplay failed, leave it at that, quietly.

Wag more, Bark less

[Vraciu]

I love intercepting bombers but I'm getting really sick of them hiding off map and then bailing as soon as you spot them.  I'm not sure how to fix it...perhaps sending video to someone, getting their bails converted to deaths and the hunter credited with the 3 kills?   Or maybe increase the proxy range atleast for bombers, if anyone is within visual range and you bail, the hunter should be credited for causing that fear to happen.

Award three kills to the closest enemy within visual range. 

Solved. 

[guncrasher]

Award three kills to the closest enemy within visual range. 

Solved.

on the other hand for those bombers that decide to fight, if any fighter makes a 1/2 attempt to shoot it down then dives to the ground then award a kill to the bomber.  I dont fly bombers much but this was the annoying part of a bomber run.  either on the way in or out often there would always be that fighter or 2 that would just dive in hope for a kill then run.

after all fair is fair.  if I damage a fighter and he dives to rtb then I deserve that kill.


semp

[100Coogn]

on the other hand for those bombers that decide to fight, if any fighter makes a 1/2 attempt to shoot it down then dives to the ground then award a kill to the bomber.  I dont fly bombers much but this was the annoying part of a bomber run.  either on the way in or out often there would always be that fighter or 2 that would just dive in hope for a kill then run.

after all fair is fair.  if I damage a fighter and he dives to rtb then I deserve that kill.


semp

But the fighter is diving to RTB.  He did not bail...

Coogan

[guncrasher]

But the fighter is diving to RTB.  He did not bail...

Coogan

what is the difference, he's denying somebody a well deserved kill.


semp