AMD Ryzen CPU

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I do get more screen freezes with DX11.  But it looks nicer. Are those your observations?

Yes.

When I run using AHIII Dx11 version I get the occasional screen freeze\pause in a very random and very infrequent pattern in which the GPU has momentarily stopped processing (can see it on the graphs that I record) then all restarts and runs fine w\o a BSOD (this action according to Microsoft is what they call a TDR event (timeout detection & recovery) which is triggered when a graphics card's GPU takes too long to process data (timeout is triggered if the GPU hasn't finished processing a string within a 2 sec window....industry standard for GPU's to meet)). The OS will then call the monitor's miniport driver to trigger the graphics card's driver to reset the GPU and flush the buffer at the same time (the pause\freeze\stutter you see) so the GPU will start over fresh w\o sending the computer into a BSOD. This is why you most likely won't find a .dmp file as this behavior is by design starting w\ Win 7 OS forward and since this is by design, the game will continue to run & will resend the flushed data again from the system mem cache to stay in sequence once the GPU has restarted successfully.

I have witnessed this to stop every blue moon on a particular GPU driver update only to see it reoccur on a successive GPU driver update, then when I revert back to the prior driver update that didn't show this issue prior, it is showing up....................

The mystery is what is actually the issue(s) going on that is causing this to occur. This is what Hitech & Co are having to try to track down but to date they haven't been able to replicate it on their systems to then do the diagnostics to track down the issue(s) causing it. I haven't found any indicators that really narrow this down except that just before it occurs my GPU running usage % will drop down to 0% then suddenly "freezes" for a split second w\ the GPU FR dropping, GPU frametime dropping, GPU clock speed dropping but GPU mem speed is unaffected......then start back up as if nothing happened................

As for running AHIII under Dx9, my box runs it pretty much w\o issue.....even w\o the screen pause\freeze issue..............

Hope this helps.

 

[Skuzzy]

It is not that we have not seen it.  We have, but we have not been able to reliably duplicate it and that is what we need in order to debug it.

To my knowledge, no one has come up with a way to reliably duplicate it.

[Toad]

I'm not techie enough to figure it out but the Lenovo I inherited has both AH3 DX11 and DX9 on the hard drive.

I get random pauses with the DX11 version and none at all with DX9. Same machine, same video settings, same everything settings.

The only bit I can toss out is that on the DX11 version it's always when there's a lot of change going on on the screen, fast drawing if you will. Like flat out fast scissors on the deck with lots of trees in the scene. A merge in a melee with several aircraft moving fast and shooting in the view. This usually results in me hitting a tree or something when the screen reactivates.

Same situations in DX9 present no problems. So I run 9.

[Pudgie]

Just ordered this......................... .......

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=38693828

As soon as my AM4 retention bracket comes in for my Corsair H80i V2 AIO I'll be making the changeover to an all AMD box using Win 10.

 

[Vinkman]

Just ordered this......................... .......

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=38693828

As soon as my AM4 retention bracket comes in for my Corsair H80i V2 AIO I'll be making the changeover to an all AMD box using Win 10.

 

Newegg site say list is empty. 

[Pudgie]

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=38693828

Try this one........................

 

PS---Same as the prior one. Gonna do this a little different.................... ....

 

[Pudgie]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813145001

How bout this now?

Gonna reuse all else.
Already have a retail copy of Win 10................

 

[Vinkman]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813145001

How bout this now?

Gonna reuse all else.
Already have a retail copy of Win 10................

 

It will be great to swap notes now that our hardware will be similar. 

I'm curious about over clocking software conflicts between that provided by Ryzen and that provided by ASUS. Which software rules, and do they need to be synched, or clocking steps need to be performed in a certain order?  Wondering if that's why I can't get RAM to clock past 2400 kHZ even though it's listed as 3200 kHz and compatible with Ryzen chips.   
 
ASUS  OC Software on MoBo:
 - Shows CAS 16 @ 2400 kHZ.   [DDR4 Specs say it's CAS 14, @ 3200 kHZ]
 - When overclocking fails, you can just reboot to ASUS Mobo software and change it back.

Ryzen OC software from Windows
 - Was able to set RAM CAS to 14 @ 2400 kHZ. IT worked and ran fine.
 - Was not able to OC memory to anything over 2400 kHz
 - When OC fails, Windows crashes and gives you an option to perform a Windows Repair. This screen runs until an old 16bit dos menu asks if you want to Restore or Cancel, but the keyboard and mouse have lost function so you can't click either button. You re-boot and repeat. .  Work around was to continuously press the enter key when the repair started and I think it got the mouse click in before the peripherals when in-operative. Screen went black for 15 min, so I reset and found the machine had restored back to previous Mem speed settings on reboot.  .

So Clocking with the Ryzen software is a risky proposition. Best to have a boot Flash drive standing by? 

[Pudgie]

It will be great to swap notes now that our hardware will be similar. 

I'm curious about over clocking software conflicts between that provided by Ryzen and that provided by ASUS. Which software rules, and do they need to be synched, or clocking steps need to be performed in a certain order?  Wondering if that's why I can't get RAM to clock past 2400 kHZ even though it's listed as 3200 kHz and compatible with Ryzen chips.   
 
ASUS  OC Software on MoBo:
 - Shows CAS 16 @ 2400 kHZ.   [DDR4 Specs say it's CAS 14, @ 3200 kHZ]
 - When overclocking fails, you can just reboot to ASUS Mobo software and change it back.

Ryzen OC software from Windows
 - Was able to set RAM CAS to 14 @ 2400 kHZ. IT worked and ran fine.
 - Was not able to OC memory to anything over 2400 kHz
 - When OC fails, Windows crashes and gives you an option to perform a Windows Repair. This screen runs until an old 16bit dos menu asks if you want to Restore or Cancel, but the keyboard and mouse have lost function so you can't click either button. You re-boot and repeat. .  Work around was to continuously press the enter key when the repair started and I think it got the mouse click in before the peripherals when in-operative. Screen went black for 15 min, so I reset and found the machine had restored back to previous Mem speed settings on reboot.  .

So Clocking with the Ryzen software is a risky proposition. Best to have a boot Flash drive standing by? 

Hi Vinkman,

Yeah, looking forward to the upgrade so that I can get familiar w\ it.

Now on the subject of overclocking a CPU, I'm an old school kind of user which means that I wouldn't recommend performing any CPU overclocking from Windows (which is what AMD RyzenMaster software can be used for) due to the kind of issues that you've already been dealing with (and more). I recommend to always do it within the mobo UEFI (or BIOS if you still prefer to call as such) as this is where the CPU is being initialized upon startup. Same thing goes for memory as well for the same reasons. What I would use RyzenMaster software for is to just monitor the CPU operation only. Now from all that I have read up on this CPU, the issue w\ the memory isn't the CPU per se as reported (the mem controller is capable of running up to 3200 or higher), the issues fall around either the memory modules themselves due to electrical compatibility w\ the Infinity Fabric interconnect (Samsung B die modules are reported to be the best for electrical compatibility) regardless of whether the mem was "tested" for Ryzen specs or the mobo UEFI\BIOS is not up to snuff as far as reading the mem SPD to match up to the specific Ryzen CPU (dealing w\ the Infinity Fabric interconnect again) thus will have to be set up manually within the UEFI\BIOS. AMD has also just now come out w\ an updated AEGISA firmware for their Ryzen CPU drivers that is supposed to help out w\ mem compatibility w\ these Ryzen CPU's so you might want to look for\into this for your box.

Are you still using the original UEFI\BIOS in your mobo when you bought it or have you flashed it to latest version yet? You may need to have it flashed to the latest version to fix some of this. If you do need to do this I would also recommend to do this within the UEFI\BIOS as well & not in Windows. You might check into whether there is an updated version available on your mobo's web site.

This is 1 of the main reasons why I stuck w\ a Gigabyte AM4 X370 mobo as most of the reviews on them give them good marks for UEFI compatibility and also the dual BIOS\UEFI feature (not to mention that I'm currently using 1 of their mobos & have gotten very familiar w\ how they work)................

I personally do not plan on overclocking my 1800X per se at all, just plan to kill off any of the CPU power saving stuff so that it'll run at the full rated clock speeds then work w\ the individual CPU cores to optimize it for the apps\games that I'll be using on it.....just as I have done w\ this Intel I7 5820K CPU. I'll let you know how all this goes once I get all up & going..............

Working w\ Win 10 is what's going to be interesting.................. ..........

Looking forward to it.

 

PS--Just checked Gigabyte's web site on the mobo that I've bought.........there's a new UEFI (F2) that has the updated AGESA firmware to help w\ mem compatibility & an updated AMD chipset driver so I'm downloading all this right now & will have all ready on a USB stick.

 

[Pudgie]

CPU & mobo came in today................
Got 1 of the Malaysia built 1800X's................

Waiting on the H80i V2 AM4 retention bracket to get here then it's time to perform surgery...................... ..

 

[Vinkman]

Hi Vinkman,

Are you still using the original UEFI\BIOS in your mobo when you bought it or have you flashed it to latest version yet? You may need to have it flashed to the latest version to fix some of this. If you do need to do this I would also recommend to do this within the UEFI\BIOS as well & not in Windows. You might check into whether there is an updated version available on your mobo's web site.

This is 1 of the main reasons why I stuck w\ a Gigabyte AM4 X370 mobo as most of the reviews on them give them good marks for UEFI compatibility and also the dual BIOS\UEFI feature (not to mention that I'm currently using 1 of their mobos & have gotten very familiar w\ how they work)................

Looking forward to it.

 

PS--Just checked Gigabyte's web site on the mobo that I've bought.........there's a new UEFI (F2) that has the updated AGESA firmware to help w\ mem compatibility & an updated AMD chipset driver so I'm downloading all this right now & will have all ready on a USB stick.

 

I have checked for updates on my ASUS Mobo, but haven't seen one yet. If there is one out for Gigabite,...maybe ASUS will soon as well. 

I prefer to use the mother board one, I just wasn't clear on whether the Chip people can prevent the MoBo people from change clock speeds.  Also I have not seen a reason to OC the Chipset at this time. I did want to clock the DRAM to it's highest possible speed...since I paid for it. ;-)

Good Luck. 

[Pudgie]

I have checked for updates on my ASUS Mobo, but haven't seen one yet. If there is one out for Gigabite,...maybe ASUS will soon as well. 

I prefer to use the mother board one, I just wasn't clear on whether the Chip people can prevent the MoBo people from change clock speeds.  Also I have not seen a reason to OC the Chipset at this time. I did want to clock the DRAM to it's highest possible speed...since I paid for it. ;-)

Good Luck. 

I hear ya on the mem speed.....that's the main reason why you'd want to install the latest UEFI\BIOS for your mobo.

As for my upcoming setup, The Gigabyte mem compatibility sheet says that both my current Corsair Vengenance LPX 2133 DDR4 16Gb 4Gb x 4 mem kit and Corsair Vengenance LPX 3000 DDR4 16Gb 4Gb x 4 mem kit are compatible w\ my mobo\Ryzen CPU so we shall see if this 1800X behaves...... The 2133 kit should run natively at SPD but the 3000 kit should run at SPD once downclocked to 2933 Hz....but this was before the AGESA firmware upgrade came out so it will be interesting to see if this sets the tables more electrically correct w\ Infinity Fabric interconnect.

Corsair is taking it's sweet time about sending the AM4 retention bracket for my H80i V2 AIO.....been 8 days since ordering, still in processing according to their web site.

Got all in hand for whenever my retention bracket gets here.

 

[Vinkman]

Corsair is taking it's sweet time about sending the AM4 retention bracket for my H80i V2 AIO.....been 8 days since ordering, still in processing according to their web site.

Got all in hand for whenever my retention bracket gets here.

 

The retention bracket I needed came with the Corsair H110i without needing any additional hardware from either. 

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The retention bracket I needed came with the Corsair H110i without needing any additional hardware from either. 

I bought this Corsair H80i V2 AIO well before AMD came out w\ the AM4 socket mobos (have had this AIO for almost 2 yrs....got it when I still was using my X79 platform) so the AMD retention bracket that it came with is for FM1, FM2, AM3, AM3+ socket mobos....which will not work w\ AM4 socket (I've already made the comparison fit w\ it to this Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K5 mobo....no go & it can't even be modded to fit...not even close).

All else will work (standoffs) as AMD retained the height of the AM4 socket\CPU's to be the same as the older sockets, just not the bolt pattern\dimensions.

Actually I like the bolt pattern\dimensions of the new AM4 socket much better than the old setup (wider\closer to the socket) for stability.

FYI......................

 

[Pudgie]

FINALLY!!!!!

My AM4 retention bracket has been shipped thru USPS so most likely middle of next week..................