Author Topic: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"  (Read 2192 times)

Offline RODBUSTR

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 473
     readily available to see on youtube,  rule # 1 do not do any aerobatics..THE WINGS WILL COME OFF......repeat no stunts....it sets definite limitations on banking, dives and speed.  nufsed,

Offline Tracerfi

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1936
someone got shot down by the A20 again
You cannot beat savages by becoming one.

He who must not be named

Offline icepac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7225
He's probably referring to the A20s that loop with full bombload.

Offline RODBUSTR

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 473
watch it it refers to any at any load, take 20 minutes and watch it

Offline Vulcan

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9904
watch it it refers to any at any load, take 20 minutes and watch it

Doesn't mean it will fall out of the sky. It just means it's bad for the airframe. Each time you take off in AH3 you get a brand new perfectly made airframe and engine.

Same goes for planes for the Yaks, if you ran them at full power like we do the engine would die after 3 flights.

Offline Brooke

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15697
      • http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/
They had to make instructions that worked for the mass of pilots they had.

People in Aces High have about 1000 times more dogfighting time than the average WWII pilot, so there are things that seem fine to AH pilots that would result in a lot of casualties or wrecked equipment in WWII.

What they wanted A-20's for was bombing and attack runs, not dogfighting, and didn't want the pilots and aircraft risked on tasks that weren't at all the priority.

Offline Squire

  • Aces High CM Staff (Retired)
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7683
:cry Havoc!
Warloc
Friday Squad Ops CM Team
1841 Squadron Fleet Air Arm
Aces High since Tour 24

Offline RODBUSTR

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 473
It doesn't matter how experienced an operator of any type of vehichle is, he or she is not going to be able to push it outside of it's designed performance envelope. it doesn't matter if it's an airplane or an automobile.  It's  not experience it's engineering and physics, the wing cantilever and fitting to the airframe,  proper modeling  and  realism is what separates a game from a true simulator. one option like as in the zerstorers is while they are still around have the men and women...who flew  and fought in them and against them to critique the performance of the ah planes,  the women part,, there were a lot of woman pilots in the ussr.

Offline FLS

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11619
      • Trainer's Website
It doesn't matter how experienced an operator of any type of vehichle is, he or she is not going to be able to push it outside of it's designed performance envelope. it doesn't matter if it's an airplane or an automobile.  It's  not experience it's engineering and physics, the wing cantilever and fitting to the airframe,  proper modeling  and  realism is what separates a game from a true simulator. one option like as in the zerstorers is while they are still around have the men and women...who flew  and fought in them and against them to critique the performance of the ah planes,  the women part,, there were a lot of woman pilots in the ussr.

You don't know what you're rambling about. What matters is the max g of the airframe and the max g of the loop. Aircraft have to be able to sustain loads from turbulance when fully loaded with bombs and fuel. When the aircraft is light you get an extra margin of safety for looping.

Offline save

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2860
A20 out-turn some fighters with full bomb load, without any structural damage done to it.

My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
"And the Yak 3 ,aka the "flying Yamato"..."
-Caldera

Offline Tracerfi

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1936
Re: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 06:18:20 AM »
A20 out-turn some fighters with full bomb load, without any structural damage done to it.
i am pretty sure it cant as someone that flys the A20 it will break its wings off with full bomb load and cant out turn most things
You cannot beat savages by becoming one.

He who must not be named

Offline Randy1

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4260
Re: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 06:19:27 AM »
The A20 is a P47M without the view.

Offline nooby52

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 991
Re: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 08:27:51 AM »
Someone contact Bob Hoover....he would know. Oh, wait, you can't.  :salute

Flying as "South52" for VF-17 Jolly Rogers
17 Squadron - The Hardest Day Battle of Britain
204 Kokutai - Target Rabaul
610 Squadron -TFT Battle of Britain

Offline lyric1

  • Skinner Team
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10678
Re: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 12:19:33 PM »
Boston and A-20G are both AHI design and modelling. Doubt HTC will change anything with regards to that until AHIII version appears.

Offline Brooke

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15697
      • http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/
Re: U.S.A.A.C. TRAINING FILM #1332 " flight charictaristics of the douglas a20"
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2017, 04:24:33 PM »
It doesn't matter how experienced an operator of any type of vehichle is, he or she is not going to be able to push it outside of it's designed performance envelope.

Experienced pilots don't push it past that -- that's the whole point.

Don't think that an owners manual that says "Don't do X" means that you can't do X if you know what you are doing.  The world is FULL of examples of being able to do X if you know what you are doing.

The A-20 is plenty capable of aerobatics if you don't go outside the envelope (which, by the way, is a lot larger than for a Shrike Commander, say, that Bob Hoover flew aerobatics in).  AH pilots have a lot of experience with staying inside the envelope.   But if they push it past here and there and die, they can pop back up again, learning those limits through testing the boundary.  Also, in AH, the airframe creaks if it's getting close to failure, so you can (with experience) back off appropriately and fly aerobatics.

If you got some ham-fisted noob trying to do aerobatics in the Shrike Commander (like Bob Hoover), he'd pull the wings off.  Bob Hoover did enormous amounts of aerobatics in the Shrike Commander, and it has a lot smaller g tolerance than an A-20.