Frame 1 Objectives Sent for OVER THE REICH

[waystin2]

It wasn't meant as an insult i'm simply saying there are some missions where the planners and the squad leads have to make allowances for fuel. Sometimes you have to call bingo and turn back.

The P-47s have the shortest legs of the trio of USAAF fighters. You have to plan for that.

Understood.  I will pay closer attention to this in the future.

 

Way

[DubiousKB]

Fuel management is important and pretty much reflected the range we are emulating... It's not a problem if you're not full throttle/full RPM the whole trip... Tough lesson to learn, but hey that's the way she goes...

Also learned not to chase 109's to the deck where my Jug is all but a dump-truck for speed/acceleration.  ESPECIALLY considering there's only ONE friendly base to return too...

I think this is a worse problem then no fuel as it's pretty easy to catch allies RTB on little to no fuel because after target, only 1 direction is usable to RTB. 

 Fun frame tho.

[waystin2]

Fuel management is important and pretty much reflected the range we are emulating... It's not a problem if you're not full throttle/full RPM the whole trip... Tough lesson to learn, but hey that's the way she goes...

Also learned not to chase 109's to the deck where my Jug is all but a dump-truck for speed/acceleration.  ESPECIALLY considering there's only ONE friendly base to return too...

I think this is a worse problem then no fuel as it's pretty easy to catch allies RTB on little to no fuel because after target, only 1 direction is usable to RTB. 

 Fun frame tho.

KB, we were at max cruise until two sectors from Bremen.  From that point the bombers were under constant attack all the way to target.  As you can see none of them made it, but we took a heavy toll on the enemy fighters as well.  When the last bomber went down we were over Bremen with 17 minutes fuel left.  Only choices were to abandon the bombers right about where the Axis planes attacked or fight the Axis at fuel settings above max cruise setting.  I will look for these situations in the future orders and question and/or request changes.

See you up there,

Way

[DubiousKB]

So did our fearless bureaucrats just let us down in our fuel load and route?  As in, literally no way to achieve the route AND make it home?  I only ask as I didn't get the chance to try and make it home, but thought that I could have. 

[waystin2]

So did our fearless bureaucrats just let us down in our fuel load and route?  As in, literally no way to achieve the route AND make it home?  I only ask as I didn't get the chance to try and make it home, but thought that I could have. 

It's a combo of factors not anyone persons fault.  Add in the fact that no plan survives contact with the enemy and the potential for the flight to go sideways increases. After the back and forth with fellow FSOers and Warloc (CM) my thinking is the jugs should be relegated to a role that does not require them to close escort the bombers. This job is better suited to the Ponies and 38's fuel loadouts.

[DubiousKB]

It's a combo of factors not anyone persons fault.  Add in the fact that no plan survives contact with the enemy and the potential for the flight to go sideways increases. After the back and forth with fellow FSOers and Warloc (CM) my thinking is the jugs should be relegated to a role that does not require them to close escort the bombers. This job is better suited to the Ponies and 38's fuel loadouts.

Seems legit. That's all a grunt pilot like me can ask for... 

[LilMak]

Wait??? We went to Bremen and flew over the bombers the whole way. Throttled up to full military about 1 sector out and followed a couple formations all the way home. I killed the engine 2.5 sectors out @28k just to see how far I could glide. Made it 2 miles from the runway before I turned the engine back on. Had 11 minutes at military power over the airfield. I was leading the group so I had more fuel than the rest. At a cruise setting I would've had 22 minutes of fuel two sectors away at 28k. Most of my guys should've had at least 1/2 of that which was enough to make it home.

The Luftwaffe, as I understand it, had to RTB back to their departure airport so hovering over the landing airport would be a suicide run.

[waystin2]

Wait??? We went to Bremen and flew over the bombers the whole way. Throttled up to full military about 1 sector out and followed a couple formations all the way home. I killed the engine 2.5 sectors out @28k just to see how far I could glide. Made it 2 miles from the runway before I turned the engine back on. Had 11 minutes at military power over the airfield. I was leading the group so I had more fuel than the rest. At a cruise setting I would've had 22 minutes of fuel two sectors away at 28k. Most of my guys should've had at least 1/2 of that which was enough to make it home.

The Luftwaffe, as I understand it, had to RTB back to their departure airport so hovering over the landing airport would be a suicide run.

Northern track was a full 15 minutes less flight time by the orders and almost a full sector shorter in distance.  Add to that the full throttle business of combat and the Pigs refusing to leave their bombers when under attack. Well they we were.  Unless you guys drained some fuel off of us before we lifted as a joke? 

[nooby52]

my thinking is the jugs should be relegated to a role that does not require them to close escort the bombers. This job is better suited to the Ponies and 38's fuel loadouts.

+1

[LilMak]

Northern track was a full 15 minutes less flight time by the orders and almost a full sector shorter in distance.  Add to that the full throttle business of combat and the Pigs refusing to leave their bombers when under attack. Well they we were.  Unless you guys drained some fuel off of us before we lifted as a joke? 

Well that definitely makes a difference. I disavow draining any bacon grease from your tanks. 

[waystin2]

Well that definitely makes a difference. I disavow draining any bacon grease from your tanks. 

 

[Dantoo]

Way I don't think your target was Bremen if you had the southern job.  Might be causing some confusion.

[waystin2]

Way I don't think your target was Bremen if you had the southern job.  Might be causing some confusion.

Without discussing planning too much, take a look at the frame 1 orders and route map again.  We were assigned Bremen on the southern route. 

[TheBug]

Too much flying and fuel management in this setup and not enough fighting.  Absolute zero chance of any late frame action.  If we are to have a heavily scripted event in order to avoid people missing out on any action, why do we have a script that severely reduces the action?

[Dawger]

Too much flying and fuel management in this setup and not enough fighting.  Absolute zero chance of any late frame action.  If we are to have a heavily scripted event in order to avoid people missing out on any action, why do we have a script that severely reduces the action?

Frame 1 was awesome. Yes it was a lot of flying and fuel management but that sort of thing should matter in FSO and the action was intense if brief.